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« on: January 12, 2006, 11:39:53 AM »

Last night at Nottingham due to an elimination the player on my right posted the sole Big Blind.

He was eliminated and so the next hand I posted the sole BB and two players arrived and sat in the two seats to my right.

My understanding is that those two new players must sit out for the next two hands until I have the button.

Okay, so I got my way for the first hand and the two players sat out.

Now it is my small blind and another player arrives and sits directly to my right.

He wants to be dealt in "on the button"

As I see it a player may not act last unless he has posted both blinds, so I think that all three of them have to sit out for one more hand until I have the button.

But the ruling was that a new player may come in "on the button".

I'm sure that this is incorrect procedure although I didn't make too much of a fuss about it.

Any TD's or supervisors care to comment ?
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2006, 12:11:53 PM »

It's not the usual procedure but some places do deal the new players in.

I used to have them sit out till the button had passed when I was running tourneys.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2006, 12:49:12 PM »

Being on the button is seen as an advantage so you can't move onto it, well that's what i thought.
In walsall yesterday the TD wouldn't let the dealer swap places with the button for that reason (he had to move to another seat because he had just been on the button), does that make sense?
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2006, 04:21:49 PM »

In my tournaments you cannot move into the button or small blind.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2006, 04:38:46 PM »

herein lies the trouble when there is no set of definative rules. One casino's interpretations will be different to another, just as with online sites. On pokerstars there has to be a small and big blind on every hand of a tournament so if a player is eliminated from the blinds and the button skips a seat sometimes a player is fortunate enough to miss the big blind and just pay a small blind for that round. (always a bonus during the later stages and final tables!!)

Until someone finally sits down and says "right this is how its going to be done" and everyone agrees to it then you will always have differing opinions. Always best to ask questions like this to the card room manager before the tournament begins if you're playing in a casino for the first time.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2006, 04:53:05 PM »

They cannot be small blind, but they can sit in the dealer button if that is the only space on the table, but no cards until the button has passed Wink
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2006, 05:00:07 PM »

They cannot be small blind, but they can sit in the dealer button if that is the only space on the table, but no cards until the button has passed Wink

there you go - if in doubt get a professional tournament directors opinion.......

so what was the answer to the question about the fouled deck again??

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2006, 05:02:00 PM »

In my tournaments you cannot move into the button or small blind.


Correct, you cannot be dealt in if you move to the small blind or button.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2006, 05:04:57 PM »

In my tournaments you cannot move into the button or small blind.


Correct, you cannot be dealt in if you move to the small blind or button.

So all three of those players should have been dealt out for that last hand then.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2006, 05:09:40 PM »

Yes, thats how i would do it, but I am sure there are TD's out there with different rules. If the House rule is you can come in on the button , then so be it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2006, 05:31:51 PM »

so what was the answer to the question about the fouled deck again??

How pissed would u be if u had the 33? Hit your 1 out and its no good!
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2006, 05:33:35 PM »

and then be told the last hand that you won was void and they are going to restart?
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2006, 05:50:12 PM »

Last night at Nottingham due to an elimination the player on my right posted the sole Big Blind.

He was eliminated and so the next hand I posted the sole BB and two players arrived and sat in the two seats to my right.

In this position, as the sole big blind had been eliminated, the button can remain where it is and the two new players can post the small blind and big blind immediately.

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My understanding is that those two new players must sit out for the next two hands until I have the button.

If this happens, thats okay also. The button passes over them. It would have been easier to just deal them in, as nobody is posting more than they should and you still have the same net effect of the button remaining in place for an extra hand.

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Okay, so I got my way for the first hand and the two players sat out.

Now it is my small blind and another player arrives and sits directly to my right.

He wants to be dealt in "on the button"

I see no problem with this person recieving a hand. The only time a player may not recieve a hand is when it causes a player to his left to have to post a blind twice twice. Eg, when a player arrives between the small blind and the button.

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As I see it a player may not act last unless he has posted both blinds, so I think that all three of them have to sit out for one more hand until I have the button.

But the ruling was that a new player may come in "on the button".

No, theres no problem with this player recieving a hand.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2006, 05:55:55 PM »

I do disagree with this as people get multiple buttons, ie being the last to speak more than once, and it is regarded as being a big advantage. But if thats what rules you go by then fair enough, but this would not happen in the WSOP for example.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2006, 06:01:08 PM »

Agree dik9. Whats the difference between the person to the left of the new player keeping the button twice and gaining an advantage, or the player just joining the competition getting the advantage? Its ridiculous. There is more advantage in the first guy having the button twice than in the new person getting it. The only time a person should not get a hand is when it causes a disadvantage to another player by having to post a big blind twice.
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