ovebretting teh turn

[pleno1]

couple people said they didnt like the line here, so thought id post for mroe opinions, we are 900 left, out of 5k starts and 700 get paid.

average is 55k, i have an aggro image.

thoughts? and il say my thoughts after people replied.

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1769856

[SuuPRlim]

why though? I just had J6o and folded to an open, felt fine about it.

[pleno1]

the question to you guys first is why not

[SuuPRlim]

the question to you guys first is why not

mmmm lol I don't really know why not. the only real fault I can pick with the hand is that we have T5o, this is quite a massive fault though.

[rfgqqabc]

Its a dogshit hand. If you want to 3bet a shit ton at least 3bet something. T5o is a battleship hand. Your not getting enough folds and your hand is awful post, with no backdoors or potential draws.

[Ironside]

wow i thought it was only me that miss typed the

[pleno1]

nobody ever watched galfonmds firts ever video

[SuuPRlim]

I assumed from the offset this wasnt you in the hand?

[Nit Tendencies]

You know we can't reload right?

[pleno1]

You know we can't reload right?

nor can he..

[SuuPRlim]

I really don't understand the question?!

I don't know why we 3bet T5o, I think the flop c-bet is really stnd, and the turn bet is, I assume an attempt to get him of A9s, AJ/AQ without the J/Q of clubs and some clubless pocket pairs (mostly 88/99 and maybe JJ) and I think it's pretty reasonable to assume he'll fold all these.

Will he fold Ax ? or Ax or maybe even ? IDK, maybe but do we need to bet more than the pot to get those other hands to fold? I'm not sure I think we put those hands under enough with a reg size bet and I don't think we force enough of the stronger hands out with a bigger bet compared to that of a regular bet.

Having said all this I don't really know, agree betting is >> checking though but I think the hand is pretty spew personally

[pleno1]

btw im not posting the hand just because i won and did something funky, want opinions from others too. i dont think dont 3bet x hand is a very valid argument though, spot > hand in most spots.

[Honeybadger]

the question to you guys first is why not

The answer to this question is as simple as "dude, you have T5o...wtf you thinking?" It would be fair to say this hand is right down at the bottom of your range. And I don't mean the bottom of your 3betting range... I mean the bottom of your getting dealt range!

If you are 3betting with close to the worst hand you can get dealt then what you are essentially saying is "this is such a great bluff spot that I can profitably 3bet 100% of my range". Now every now and then you find situations where this is true, and if you were able to give extremely detailed reads/dynamics etc to explain why at the precise moment in time that you played this hand table conditions were such that you could profitably 3bet bluff with 100% of your hands... well fine. I guess. But otherwise you should be using randomisation by equity to construct your bluffing ranges. And T5o is right down the bottom of the equity spectrum, both with regard to hot and cold equity and postflop playability (i.e. ability to use postflop equity to semi-bluff profitably).

A profitable bluff needs a combination of fold equity plus pot equity. You have a hand that has such a small amount of pot equity that you need a huge amount of fold equity to make this a profitable preflop bluff. It really is a question of "why?", rather than "why not?". If you genuinely think that this is the best possible ever spot to run a preflop bluff and can give specific reasons why this is the case, then you can bluff without even looking at your cards (which is essentially what you have done). Otherwise you are just donking around.

[SuuPRlim]

i dont think dont 3bet x hand is a very valid argument though, spot > hand in most spots.

srsly?

Hand > Spot in most spots imo, speshly readless.

[Nit Tendencies]

i dont think dont 3bet x hand is a very valid argument though, spot > hand in most spots.

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