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« on: May 22, 2012, 12:27:33 AM »

Villain is decent and definitely toughest spot at table, he thinks similar about me and we both realise how soft most of the table is so obviously have avoided each other a little bit but he has 3bet me a couple times, I've 3b him maybe 8 times and he has peeled 3 times and folded 5 times

He has around 220k which is a big stack at this point, ive got 130k

He opens @500/1000 to 2400, I 3b to 5700 in position. He calls

Flop . He checks I bet 7200 he calls

Turn  . He checks I bet 11200, he check raises to 37,100. I call

River . He shoves.

What's his range? What's the lightest we should be calling it off with?
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 12:49:31 AM »

Where does he open from? Think it's quite important.

If I had kj with one heart id probably not do a fold. Feels like he other has a really stubborn kqhx k10hx
 Meh should fold j9hh pre, j8hh pre, he can occasionally have 89hh and 78hh.

We can probably give him an estimated number of value combos but positions would be super important as we can give him less combos of queens or 10s etc depending on position. 8 3bets is quite a lot though and sometimes people just blow.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 12:56:08 AM »

Really horrible spot vs this player because he's probably going to be aware that he'll likely be able to get you to fold AQ, probably even sets - all of which you can have with this line to the river but if he hasn't been too out of line I can't see him just blowing up for 130bbs in this spot vs a good player with a completely uncapped range. I assume you've been pretty active to this point and your preflop 3betting range here is gunna be pretty wide which I think it should be if he's deciding not to start a 4/5/6betting war.

He doesn't have AA, sometimes will 4bet QQ so I don't think his value range is much wider than flushes and I guess from the paragraph above I don't think he's bluffing so as disgustingly exploitable as it sounds I think the lightest I'm calling is   and even then its hard for him to have a worse heart combo than that...




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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 01:07:34 AM »

He opened utg+2, I 3b cutoff
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 01:19:15 AM »

Thoughts On akxh equalling j8hh?
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 01:20:35 AM »

I actually was at the complete bottom end of my range and suggested it was the same as Aces anyway at dinner last night
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 01:22:58 AM »

Tbf probably should say my hand as it helps with blocker theorys

I have A5os no heart
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 01:34:43 AM »

Thoughts On akxh equalling j8hh?

For that to be true then he has to be turning smaller heart combos into bluffs to get us off exactly J9hh and J8hh? I think thats a bit optimistic.

Would agree with Dave that A5o = AA
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2012, 10:43:32 AM »

Think in this vacuum id fold  . his hh combos are stronger than yours and i think he just abso has it given the table and current dynamic.

So i agree that specifically here A5 is very similar to AA which would obv make folding the bad flush bad theoretically but i just think he completely nuttered here.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2012, 10:51:24 AM »

Thoughts On akxh equalling j8hh?

For that to be true then he has to be turning smaller heart combos into bluffs to get us off exactly J9hh and J8hh? I think thats a bit optimistic.

Would agree with Dave that A5o = AA

What? And what? Must be too early in the morning for me to understand these posts. Also agree that AA = A5 here tho
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 10:57:20 AM »

I actually was at the complete bottom end of my range and suggested it was the same as Aces anyway at dinner last night

I guess this just depends on how much of a sicko the guy is. Can he really not be value shoving sets or a decent 2 pair here given his perception of your abilities?

Surely if you've got the flush you get it in on the turn? You must have something though to call his 37k. I think he can shove here with 2 pair and get you to lay down better some of the time and also call with worse some of the time.

If you're certain he can't be value betting then we're at the nuts or air thing. I think he's more likely nuttered and aired so a fold looks appropriate.

You're still really deep and you've got what looks like a great table so it's not really a time to be a hero.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 11:07:51 AM »

why are his heart combos so strong? he has 3 combos, kj, 78, 89 and even 78 and 89 he may fold pre a decent % of the time whist kj doesnt raise turn 100% of the time.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 11:09:57 AM »

I think he c raises KJ hh on flop for sure and probably J9 hh
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2012, 11:15:27 AM »

Thoughts On akxh equalling j8hh?

For that to be true then he has to be turning smaller heart combos into bluffs to get us off exactly J9hh and J8hh? I think thats a bit optimistic.


These guys are supposed to be good though right?

Why does jamming 45hh have to be a bluff? He can give Dave credit for looking for a hero call surely?

Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but these guys are playing a $25k comp so I'd expect some funky schnizzles.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2012, 01:43:04 PM »

Thoughts On akxh equalling j8hh?

For that to be true then he has to be turning smaller heart combos into bluffs to get us off exactly J9hh and J8hh? I think thats a bit optimistic.

Would agree with Dave that A5o = AA

What? And what? Must be too early in the morning for me to understand these posts. Also agree that AA = A5 here tho

Ok...no idea where that came from. I should probably just stick to lurking after my sessions Tongue

I don't think that J8hh = AxKh but not for that reason. He can legit have worse heart combos for value. Very plausible that he takes this exact like with 78hh, 89hh imo. He's now peeled 6/9 3bets oop so I think he can have those hands a lot even though he probably shouldn't
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