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« on: June 02, 2012, 07:57:24 PM » |
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Blinds 250/500.
Raise to 1100.
Player next to act flicks in two 1k chips.
Call or a raise? Why?
Is the rule standard worldwide? I know what the DTD rule is but it's not common knowledge and a dealer ruled it the wrong way just now.
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George2Loose
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 07:59:53 PM » |
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Pretty sure the standard rule is a call. Read it on Matthew savages twitter (brag)
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 08:04:27 PM » |
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Raise for me being 2 chips first raise is 500 with 600 then 3 bettor makes it with 900.
Are you in Dtd
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 08:07:07 PM » |
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Yes
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 08:08:24 PM » |
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honestly not sure which is DTD rule which is generic.
thought there was a specification for an un-announced reraise that if over half the previous raise amount was in it goes as a raise if not a call?
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 08:11:01 PM » |
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Mmmmmm. I used to do a small amount of dealing at a local club of ours in Kings Lynn. I would personally take it as a raise. Had I been playing and I didn't have any smaller denomination chips I would be verbally telling the dealer what I intended it to be. But if all the dealers are trained to a certain standard there shouldn't be many mistakes at the table. What is the dtd ruling and is it the same for cash?
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 08:11:24 PM » |
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It's something to do with it being two identical chips and if you take one out and it could be classed as a call, then it's a call.
Bedi can you remember what Matt Savage said?
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 08:19:22 PM » |
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Call in my experience.
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 08:21:56 PM » |
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Probably have to ask dik9. For me this is a raise.
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 08:22:10 PM » |
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It's something to do with it being two identical chips and if you take one out and it could be classed as a call, then it's a call.
Bedi can you remember what Matt Savage said?
No mate but shall I ask him for u? |
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 08:26:29 PM » |
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Taken from the Official TDA Rules website... http://www.pokertda.com/custom_posts/view-official-tda-rules/ 39: Multiple Chip Betting When facing a bet, unless a raise is first declared, multiple same-denomination chips is a call if removing one chip leaves less than the call amount. Example of a call: preflop, blinds are 200-400: A raises to 1200 total (an 800 raise), B puts out two 1000 chips without declaring raise. This is just a call because removing one 1000 chip leaves less than the amount needed to call the 1200 bet. Placing mixed denomination chips in the pot is governed by the 50% standard in Rule 37. |
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 08:29:16 PM » |
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Why should it matter at all what denoms of chips you are using?! Raise is legit IMO
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 08:29:37 PM » |
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It's something to do with it being two identical chips and if you take one out and it could be classed as a call, then it's a call.
Bedi can you remember what Matt Savage said?
Think it would likely be the opposite of that surely? ie if one of the chips is removed it wouldn't be enough for a call - so its a call |
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2012, 08:31:50 PM » |
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Why should it matter at all what denoms of chips you are using?! Raise is legit IMO
nah think its fair enough to class as a call - less angleshooting opportunities. |
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2012, 08:33:59 PM » |
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Cheers Big D, spot on.
Call it is, though the dealer ruled it as a raise before the floor was called, so it was too late. Ryan as usual gave a spot on ruling.
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