Ruling question

[robbiebox]

Bit of a technical one:

Blinds are 4k/8k.

Short stack moves all his chips into the middle without saying anything. He has 11900 chips.

Call or All-in raise ?

[Cf]

....... All in. Please tell me this wasn't ruled as a call?

[dik9]

Bit of a technical question, what game are we playing NL, PL or Limit?

In no limit or pot limit then the bet has now been increased to 11900 to call. Players that have already the opportunity to raise can only call, If a player after the all-in who hasn't had the opportunity wants to min raise then it is 19,900.

If it is Limit then it depends if you are using the full bet or half bet rule. As you have deliberately put the all-in total just less than 50% of a legit raise then I presume this is what you are getting at. Players now have the option of calling, folding or completing the bet. If it was all-in for 12100 then the next player must call 16000, raise to 20,100 or fold.

Hope this helps

EDIT just read the last bit, It is All-in!! I thought you meant other peoples options?? sorry lol

[Poker_Monkey]

Moving your stack over the line in one move is always an all-in or a bet to the largest amount you can, ie in pot limit moving your stack in is like saying " I would like to bet the pot but I can't be arsed to do the math so can someone else do it for me"

[jackinbeat]

Technical?

[robbiebox]

Technical?

The Big Blind tried to argue that it was just a call as short stack hadn't said raise and it was less than half a min raise.

TD was called and she said she thought it had to be just a call. Bit of commotion from other players, TD says she will just go and 'check'. BB eventually gets bored and says I will call the extra anyway.

TD comes back and says it would just be a call.

Like I said it a bit of a technical one as BB aint folding although I guess he could have folded post-flop (he had 8,3). Not in the spirit of the game, but couldn't help thinking BB (and TD) were probably right.

[doubleup]

The Big Blind tried to argue that it was just a call as short stack hadn't said raise and it was less than half a min raise.

So you were playing a limt tourney?  Because half raises only have relevance in limit poker and the land of idiots (inhabited by part time TDs and others that don't know the rules of the game they are playing)

[Doobs]

Technical?

The Big Blind tried to argue that it was just a call as short stack hadn't said raise and it was less than half a min raise.

TD was called and she said she thought it had to be just a call. Bit of commotion from other players, TD says she will just go and 'check'. BB eventually gets bored and says I will call the extra anyway.

TD comes back and says it would just be a call.

Like I said it a bit of a technical one as BB aint folding although I guess he could have folded post-flop (he had 8,3). Not in the spirit of the game, but couldn't help thinking BB (and TD) were probably right.

It is all in and BB clearly angle shooting.  Shortie and TD both entitled to shoot him in the face.  Seriously it is 3900 to call, he has the odds just call and keep the game moving.

[robbiebox]

The Big Blind tried to argue that it was just a call as short stack hadn't said raise and it was less than half a min raise.

So you were playing a limt tourney?  Because half raises only have relevance in limit poker and the land of idiots (inhabited by part time TDs and others that don't know the rules of the game they are playing)

I think there is a NL rule regarding if you put in more than half a raise you have to makeup to a full raise, whilst if you put in less than half a min raise it goes just as a call. I think that was the rule BB was trying to 'use'.

[doubleup]

The Big Blind tried to argue that it was just a call as short stack hadn't said raise and it was less than half a min raise.

So you were playing a limt tourney?  Because half raises only have relevance in limit poker and the land of idiots (inhabited by part time TDs and others that don't know the rules of the game they are playing)

I think there is a NL rule regarding if you put in more than half a raise you have to makeup to a full raise, whilst if you put in less than half a min raise it goes just as a call. I think that was the rule BB was trying to 'use'.

No such rule exists anywhere that has not confused limit and no limit.  There is no reason for such a rule - either someone is raising (under the rules) or they aren't.  If they are raising, then it must be the minimum legal raise.

  

[doubleup]

My bad there is such a rule in the TDA rules

37: Raises
A raise must be at least the size of the largest previous bet or raise of the current betting round. If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he must make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed (see exception for multiple same-denomination chips in Rule 39). In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in wager of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted.

I still don't understand why the rule is required

[relaedgc]

Where was this? Please don't tell me it was a Grosvenor.

I've never heard anything so ridiculous.

[jackinbeat]

Technical?

The Big Blind tried to argue that it was just a call as short stack hadn't said raise and it was less than half a min raise.

TD was called and she said she thought it had to be just a call. Bit of commotion from other players, TD says she will just go and 'check'. BB eventually gets bored and says I will call the extra anyway.

TD comes back and says it would just be a call.

Like I said it a bit of a technical one as BB aint folding although I guess he could have folded post-flop (he had 8,3). Not in the spirit of the game, but couldn't help thinking BB (and TD) were probably right.

Figure next time you play here, ask for their house rules, or take them a copy of the TDA rules, why on earth in this day and age anyone running (or attempting to) a poker tournament wouldn't use this is beyond me, and if it's a tournament you are charging for a TD who has read roberts rules would be helpful, although a fair few a these are dated.

Where in the poker world did this happen, lol?