2nd day, DTD £500 WSOP Warm up event

[FUN4FRASER]

If you call, you are hoping hes got qj or J10 ? (not likely) or the best case scenario a flush draw

More likely is he has AJ /KJ or even a slowed play over pair plus you still have the possibility the opening raiser can re jam

Fold

Cheers, this is what I did but it took me a while and I wasn't happy about it. I knew V1 was going to cbet virtually any board and I intended to check raise but the SB confused me with his shove.

Why bother putting in more chips pre flop if you arent going to make hay when you hit the flop? - If the above is your MO in poker then fold pre is your only option

What your suggesting with this comment Guy is that if you call and hit your flop then you have to go " all the way " everytime without taking into account any table action or other factors. (there must be time youve called a raise with something like AJ /A10 etc and after Axx flop the action had led you to believe you are dominated so youve folded ? )

Possibly you may be right to call or jam but with the initial raiser still lurking too  my line (rightly or wrongly) would be dwell fold

This is a valid point and people definitely do this. However the action on a jack high flop when you have KJ has been a c-bet from a LAG who's prob cbetting this board 100% of the time, and a jam from a tilted guy looking to get it in, hardly the conditions to start thinking about making big laydowns. If you're going to fold given these conditions then you should fold pre-flop

Fair enough post Andrew but cant agree with your last point as I dont see it as being a totally black and white decision...Id suggested the fold  considering all the facts and the 2 players left but then again I may have given too much credibility to the initial raiser behind and his potential shove stack.

[Wilfie]

Cheers for all the replies.

I did not consider V2's flop action pre-flop and when he shoved I folded! As played I should have saved my chips and folded pre-flop. 

[cambridgealex]

Fraser does love KJ

[DMorgan]

Definitely 3bet pre.

As played, call the 40k and fold if the big stack jams.

[FUN4FRASER]

Fraser does love KJ

Got to let it go Alex 

[pleno1]

Just call the 40k were basically unkind fable and villain 1 is t foldin overpairs if we jan. d t think it's very close, would also sqz pre and cl va v2

[NoflopsHomer]

call the 40k and fold if villain 1 shoves! We look so strong when we cold the 40k that villain 1 will / can fold some hands that beat us, so when he does shove, we can happily fold.

Deffo this.

[DMorgan]

Just call the 40k were basically unkind fable and villain 1 is t foldin overpairs if we jan. d t think it's very close, would also sqz pre and cl va v2

mate, iphones/ipads have one of the most advanced spelling correction/predictive text in the world. No idea how you manage to butcher this

[Wilfie]

Just call the 40k were basically unkind fable and villain 1 is t foldin overpairs if we jan. d t think it's very close, would also sqz pre and cl va v2
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Definitely 3bet pre.

As played, call the 40k and fold if the big stack jams.

Quite like the 3bet idea, what are we 3betting to 15K?

[MC]

call the 40k and fold if villain 1 shoves! We look so strong when we cold the 40k that villain 1 will / can fold some hands that beat us, so when he does shove, we can happily fold.

^this

[DMorgan]

Just call the 40k were basically unkind fable and villain 1 is t foldin overpairs if we jan. d t think it's very close, would also sqz pre and cl va v2
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quote author=DMorgan link=topic=58018.msg1582844#msg1582844 date=1338992825]
Definitely 3bet pre.

As played, call the 40k and fold if the big stack jams.

Quite like the 3bet idea, what are we 3betting to 15K?

Yeah sounds fine, maybe a bit less.

Looks joke strong cos you're obv calling vs SB so he's gunna fold a lot. SB has a pretty weak range too just flatting off that stack, could very well get folds from better.