Can you get away from this hand?

[ACE2M]

What do you reckon? I put the winner on his hand at the first raise but still raised, can you get away from this?





------HAND 12------
Game #1384866674: Hold'em NL (7/15) - 2006/01/13 - 19:42:51 (UK)
Table "STT1 1726198 - 1" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: Tommyk1 (1330 in chips)
Seat 2: Bigblu001 (993 in chips)
Seat 3: R4Daley (640 in chips)
Seat 4: Bigal37 (1225 in chips)
Seat 5: Stacke001 (978 in chips)
Seat 6: Honestguv (932 in chips)
Seat 7: 20geoff (700 in chips)
Seat 8: Jacool (955 in chips)
Seat 9: Pokeher1 (1247 in chips)
Seat 10: Sweyn2905 (1000 in chips)
20geoff: posts small blind 7
Jacool: posts big blind 15
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Tommyk1 [ ]
Pokeher1: folds
Sweyn2905: folds
Tommyk1: calls 15
Bigblu001: calls 15
R4Daley: calls 15
Bigal37: calls 15
Stacke001: folds
Honestguv: folds
20geoff: calls 8
Jacool: checks
----- FLOP ----- [ ]
20geoff: checks
Jacool: checks
Tommyk1: checks
Bigblu001: bets 75
R4Daley: raises to 150
Bigal37: raises to 255
20geoff: calls 255
Jacool: folds
Tommyk1: raises to 1315 and is all-in
Bigblu001: is all-in 903
R4Daley: folds
Bigal37: is all-in 955
20geoff: is all-in 430
Returned uncalled bets 105 to Tommyk1
----- TURN ----- [ ][]
----- RIVER ----- [ ][]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Tommyk1: shows [ ] (Three of a kind, Sixes, Jack high)
Bigblu001: shows [ As] (High Card Ace)
Bigal37: shows [ ] (Three of a kind, Sevens, Jack high)
20geoff: shows [ ] (A Pair of Jacks, Seven high)
Bigal37 collects 464 from Side pot #2
Bigal37 collects 879 from Side pot #1
Bigal37 collects 2980 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 4323 Main pot 2980 Side pot #1 879 | Side pot #2 464 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Tommyk1 lost
Seat 3: R4Daley folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Bigal37 showed [ ] and won (4323) with Three of a kind, Sevens, Jack high
Seat 5: Stacke001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Honestguv (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Jacool (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Pokeher1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Sweyn2905 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[NoflopsHomer]

Nah, on a STT, you'll be +ev in the long run.

[doubleup]

You know what they say about set over set -"If you didn't lose the maximum, you didn't play it right"

[Highstack]

No chance to get away from this. You rightly both play the flop strongly, because you don't wish to allow in all those hands that could have seen the flop cheaply and now the board is dangerous they could have a big draw. Very tough and only one way this can go I am afraid.

[Highstack]

That said, I don't see how his raise gives you the idea that is his hand. I could have him on a large range of hands there with bigger set just being one of them. If you genuinely put him on that, then you must pass. I wouldn't have passed, but that wouldn't have been my read. How certain were you? If you figure anything approaching 50 % your play is questionable to say the least. Sorry no offence meant but why call if you think you are behind?

[12barblues]

No way you can get away from this.  But what were the other 2 all in players doing?  >:?

[Highstack]

The J4 was a joke call, but I can understand the nut flush draw, he is just about getting odds to be fair.

[12barblues]

Oops! Didn't see his Ace was a spade.... I'm the idiot   

[Highstack]

Lol its ok.

I used to moan when every time I poste dup 'as' it came out as a card in text. Now it just says as even in a hand history. No pleasing some of us I guess

[ACE2M]

That said, I don't see how his raise gives you the idea that is his hand. I could have him on a large range of hands there with bigger set just being one of them. If you genuinely put him on that, then you must pass. I wouldn't have passed, but that wouldn't have been my read. How certain were you? If you figure anything approaching 50 % your play is questionable to say the least. Sorry no offence meant but why call if you think you are behind?

i thought his raise was very suspicious as i was thinking about a similar size raise. I didn't fold entirely because i find it very difficult to fold a flopped set, it is not a +ev play as noflops pointed out before.

[jezza777]

No way you dont lose your stack here set v set is rare. I am just reading Harringtons books and he comments that "when a guy tells me he lays down a set on the flop after some intricate thought process my first reaction is Idiot" (or words to that effect.)

[TightEnd]

set vs set and overpair versus set according to my stats.....my two biggest losing situations

I sympathise

[M3boy]

set vs set and overpair versus set according to my stats.....my two biggest losing situations

I sympathise

MOST people's biggest loosing stats I bet m8

[TightEnd]

set vs set and overpair versus set according to my stats.....my two biggest losing situations

I sympathise

MOST people's biggest loosing stats I bet m8

yep, nothing else comes anywhere near. Both are "lose whole stack and start again" potential

[TightEnd]

mind you, I haven't looked up set on flop opponent turns the straight with 23 yet!