The Staking Board, Auctions: Debate

[DMorgan]

Jesus.  

Feel free to expand/start a new thread

[cambridgealex]

Wow dan really?

Never seen a minus ev thread?

-EV stakes not included obv

fyp

[TightEnd]

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[TightEnd]

We have split off this debate from the proposal it was attached to

We have a "300 Posts" Rule", posted above with other guidelines, but this is being circumvented via off-thread bids. (Twitter, FB, PM's, friends etc), & this is making a mockery of the rules.

The Auctions, as structured, are also highly susceptible to ramping, in the opinion of some.

Normally, the Mods would make these decisions as to any changes required on here, but we think various blondes have a better handle than we do

Once any issues are debated on here the Mods can decide what to do on the basis of good debate & evidence.

[millidonk]

Dubai raises some good points imo and Dan is pretty much spot on.

I don't like auctions simply because I don't want to ask for a piece then wait a couple of weeks to find out if I have been booked or not, then maybe have to ask again and so on and so on. Like on ebay, I never actually bid on anything I just click on the buy it now button. Small point but its enough to make me not bid on them.

[LonOhRay]

Dubai raises some good points imo and Dan is pretty much spot on.

I don't like auctions simply because I don't want to ask for a piece then wait a couple of weeks to find out if I have been booked or not, then maybe have to ask again and so on and so on. Like on ebay, I never actually bid on anything I just click on the buy it now button. Small point but its enough to make me not bid on them.

Something that could be incorporated into the auction format ... A buy it now price

[millidonk]

Dubai raises some good points imo and Dan is pretty much spot on.

I don't like auctions simply because I don't want to ask for a piece then wait a couple of weeks to find out if I have been booked or not, then maybe have to ask again and so on and so on. Like on ebay, I never actually bid on anything I just click on the buy it now button. Small point but its enough to make me not bid on them.

Something that could be incorporated into the auction format ... A buy it now price

True and would probs make me get involved in an auction although you might as well put up a 'normal' staking request and sell at the buy it now price as that is a price you are clearly ok with.

[bobby1]

Some people might not fancy giving their opinion given the way recent staking threads turned out.why not post a poll with options ranging from auctions are good fun thru to auctions should be banned from the staking board?

[MANTIS01]

I don't see any reason why any one buyer or group of buyers should get preferential treatment or be "looked after" in any way on a public staking board.

You don't see any reason why a business should look after it's regular customers?

[TL900]

Some people might not fancy giving their opinion given the way recent staking threads turned out.why not post a poll with options ranging from auctions are good fun thru to auctions should be banned from the staking board?

this, i see pro's and cons for both methods of selling

[henrik777]

James Keys stopped taking non blonde bids 1 hour before the auction and updated accordingly. Harder to fix. Bidding late is auction 101 but it does piss some people off.

Sandy

[cambridgealex]

Thoughts on Herbies idea of a Dutch auction?

Lasts for say 2 hours, price starts at 2.0, goes down 1.99, 1.98 every minute until it's all sold out.

Haven't given any thought to the pros/cons for buyer/seller just thought it seemed quite fun.

[Boba Fett]

We have split off this debate from the proposal it was attached to

We have a "300 Posts" Rule", posted above with other guidelines, but this is being circumvented via off-thread bids. (Twitter, FB, PM's, friends etc), & this is making a mockery of the rules.

The Auctions, as structured, are also highly susceptible to ramping, in the opinion of some.

Normally, the Mods would make these decisions as to any changes required on here, but we think various blondes have a better handle than we do

Once any issues are debated on here the Mods can decide what to do on the basis of good debate & evidence.

I dont think this is making a mockery of the rules at all.  It is to stop unknowns from buying pieces on the boards on a forum where a lot of people dont know each other that well anyway so it reduces the chance of being grimmed.  If someone chooses to also sell on FB/twitter/by PM/another forum then they are taking sole responsibility for ensuring they can trust the people they are selling to.

I open up all my action on facebook and sometimes twitter and its mostly so that my friends who wouldnt have 300, or maybe any, posts on blonde can also buy for a sweat.

[cambridgealex]

I wouldn't go quite as far as to say it makes a mockery of the system (to some extent if you don't trust the auctioneer to run a fair auction then don't bid), but it is does go against the 300-post rule which is a good one.

[tikay]

We have split off this debate from the proposal it was attached to

We have a "300 Posts" Rule", posted above with other guidelines, but this is being circumvented via off-thread bids. (Twitter, FB, PM's, friends etc), & this is making a mockery of the rules.

The Auctions, as structured, are also highly susceptible to ramping, in the opinion of some.

Normally, the Mods would make these decisions as to any changes required on here, but we think various blondes have a better handle than we do

Once any issues are debated on here the Mods can decide what to do on the basis of good debate & evidence.

I dont think this is making a mockery of the rules at all.  It is to stop unknowns from buying pieces on the boards on a forum where a lot of people dont know each other that well anyway so it reduces the chance of being grimmed.  If someone chooses to also sell on FB/twitter/by PM/another forum then they are taking sole responsibility for ensuring they can trust the people they are selling to.

I open up all my action on facebook and sometimes twitter and its mostly so that my friends who wouldnt have 300, or maybe any, posts on blonde can also buy for a sweat.

I think what Tighty mean't - well I KNOW what Tighty meant! - was that in FIXED PRICE staking threads, it's one thing, & as long as everyone understands caveat emptor, so be it.

The problem he/we & numerous individuals are alluding to is completely different, & applies particularly to auctions.

blonde have no problem whatsoever with staking auctions, but they ARE susceptible to ramping using the friends/Facebook/Twitter/PM route.

There is NO suggestion whatsoever that anyone has done this, but the problem is self-evident, & has caused much unrest & discussion, whuch has been largely under the radar until now.

We just think we need to re-address the whole subject, & I think this is right & proper.