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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2012, 12:59:01 PM » |
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As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.
Fucks sake, why didn't you post that when I first posted, would have saved us both time.  Lots of sprinters might be dirty, but I don't think Jamaican athletes are 'dirtier' than any others which was what you were implying. I think they may well be, but cba arguing about it. Based on nothing other than they're successful and from Jamaica? Simple logic must tell you they are dirty. Sad state of affairs. Why? What is that logic? |
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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2012, 01:43:22 PM » |
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As for whether most of the competitors are clean or not, unfortunately I think a lot more are dirty, but are getting away with it. Imagine how gutted we'd be if Bolt was found to be cheating? Just got to hope that the ones challenging for medals all come through without any positive tests and that Gatlin isn't one of the medal winners.
Fucks sake, why didn't you post that when I first posted, would have saved us both time. Lots of sprinters might be dirty, but I don't think Jamaican athletes are 'dirtier' than any others which was what you were implying. I think they may well be, but cba arguing about it. Based on nothing other than they're successful and from Jamaica? Simple logic must tell you they are dirty. Sad state of affairs. Why? What is that logic? Comparison with America Population numbers to succesful athletes Training expertise Infrastructure of the system Its just not plausible that a small island can in the space of a few years suddenly come to practically dominante the world of sprinting when up against countries with more resources and bigger populations. and yes i know they have always had some well performing athletes but they are filling the podium all the time for multiple events male and female. I want to believe but i don't. |
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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2012, 01:48:59 PM » |
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Didnt we already cover that off above? what are your counter arguments?
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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2012, 01:53:16 PM » |
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Didnt we already cover that off above? what are your counter arguments?
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« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2012, 05:22:20 PM » |
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« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2012, 08:29:20 AM » |
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Was a programme on last night on  hosted by Michael Johnson touching on this subject. Not watched it yet, but it's been recorded. Just if anyone's interested in catching it online. |
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« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2012, 09:00:41 PM » |
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Was a programme on last night on hosted by Michael Johnson touching on this subject. Not watched it yet, but it's been recorded. Just if anyone's interested in catching it online. I watched it last night. It was an interesting program. Quite a few theories as to why your average jamaican is quicker than your average human, none of which involved drugs. Won't do any spoilers until you confirm you have watched it. FWIW our two most recent world beating fast boys (Christie and Jackson) both have Jamaican routes. |
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« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2012, 10:59:21 PM » |
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Watched a bit before I came out tonight, and looks interesting. But I hope the investigation doesn't just follow their initial hypothesis and disregard any counter evidence as some of these documentaries tend to do.
Of course it's interesting what sets the group of top sprinters apart from the rest, but what's more interesting is what sets the absolute best apart from those just behind them.
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« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2012, 12:58:32 AM » |
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Question: Which athletic events do the women have a better world record than the men's record? There's one I know of...
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« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2012, 09:31:40 AM » |
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what's more interesting is what sets the absolute best apart from those just behind them.
Hmmmmm. There is a degree of happenstance to it. If Bolt didn't exist, we would have been asking what it was that set Gay apart from those just behind. If he had gone into American Football, we would have been asking what it was about Powell that set him apart from the rest. If there was no Bolt we would now be asking what it is about Blake that sets him apart from the rest. Maybe there is someone, or more than one, playing US Football who would have creamed the lot of them. |
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« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2012, 11:09:28 AM » |
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What I'm saying is that genetic differences between top sprinters and the rest of us might lie with genes such as ACTN3 (amongst others), but that's something they all have.
In a sport where hundredths of a second come into play, it's the minute gains that are the most important thing and most interesting (to me anyway).
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« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2012, 02:45:18 PM » |
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Has it been demonstrated how much taking drugs can add to your performance?
Ben Johnson would still have been bloody fast without drugs I assume.
This is a great point. I'm fairly sure the liks of Lance Armstrong was competing against masses of other drugs cheats in his golden era. Was he not still incred? |
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« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2012, 03:50:05 PM » |
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Has it been demonstrated how much taking drugs can add to your performance?
Ben Johnson would still have been bloody fast without drugs I assume.
This is a great point. I'm fairly sure the liks of Lance Armstrong was competing against masses of other drugs cheats in his golden era. Was he not still incred? He just took more drugs than the others ldo. |
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« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2012, 12:54:40 AM » |
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Has it been demonstrated how much taking drugs can add to your performance?
Ben Johnson would still have been bloody fast without drugs I assume.
This is a great point. I'm fairly sure the liks of Lance Armstrong was competing against masses of other drugs cheats in his golden era. Was he not still incred? He just took more drugs than the others ldo. Nope nigh on everyone was dirty - if all were clean I'm pretty convinced he would've been the best. It was just a poor attempt at a joke, never been interested in cycling other than the Olympics so wouldn't have a clue. |
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« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2012, 09:00:53 PM » |
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Was a programme on last night on hosted by Michael Johnson touching on this subject. Not watched it yet, but it's been recorded. Just if anyone's interested in catching it online. I watched it last night. It was an interesting program. Quite a few theories as to why your average jamaican is quicker than your average human, none of which involved drugs. Won't do any spoilers until you confirm you have watched it. FWIW our two most recent world beating fast boys (Christie and Jackson) both have Jamaican routes. Just watched it. Enjoyable programme, and without the bias I was expecting. Good to see it ask more questions than it attempted to answer (without the studies or evidence to back them up). Intelligent piece of programme making. |
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