Uhl be alright. A ladies event blog, by Vicky Coren

[RED-DOG]

Vicky openly admits that she started on this kid.

What did he do? Did he tell her to go fuck herself? No. he did what any reasonable person would do if someone started to harass them during a poker tournament. He called the floor.

He doesn't sound like the aggressive type that women need to be protected from to me.

[Jon MW]

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Well that's fine by me. I'm all for equality, but not when those same women fire fighters and soldiers can enter a poker tournament that is off limits to the men they work along side.

There's a principle here. Surely you can see that?

surely the principle is that men can enter these poker tournaments as the women they work with - but nearly all of them choose not to.

Can't you see the reason why they choose not to?

[RED-DOG]

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Well that's fine by me. I'm all for equality, but not when those same women fire fighters and soldiers can enter a poker tournament that is off limits to the men they work along side.

There's a principle here. Surely you can see that?

surely the principle is that men can enter these poker tournaments as the women they work with - but nearly all of them choose not to.

Can't you see the reason why they choose not to?

Of course. That's not the point I'm arguing at all.

The fact that men can enter if they so choose is the thing that makes it fair. Just as women being able to join the fire service makes it fair.

I'm arguing the case for the minority who choose to exercise that right.

[Jon MW]

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Well that's fine by me. I'm all for equality, but not when those same women fire fighters and soldiers can enter a poker tournament that is off limits to the men they work along side.

There's a principle here. Surely you can see that?

surely the principle is that men can enter these poker tournaments as the women they work with - but nearly all of them choose not to.

Can't you see the reason why they choose not to?

Of course. That's not the point I'm arguing at all.

The fact that men can enter if they so choose is the thing that makes it fair. Just as women being able to join the fire service makes it fair.

I'm arguing the case for the minority choose to exercise that right.

Having the right to enter is what makes it fair

The minority who choose to exercise that right and then behave in a way that spoils the enjoyment for those who have only entered because it's a ladies event are crass and classless and there's no reason why they shouldn't be made an example of for being so.

There are other men who enter - if they are genuinely protesting against inequality, fair enough. Even if they're their for the soft field but they're 'nice' when they play - that still means that the tournament is serving it's purpose (making a non-intimidating environment) - it's only the boorish few who are called out for it.

But I can't make any counter-arguments any better than Vicky did in her blog post where she pretty much addressed every criticism - so if you're just going to ignore every point which doesn't suit your purpose then it's hardly worth it. I'm still not entirely convinced that it isn't just trolling.

[neeko]

But it is not in the long term interest of the minority to act insuch a classless manner. It's far better that recognise the intent of the tournament and allow women to play on their own. Getting the majority to resent the minority does no favours to anyone.

[RED-DOG]

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Well that's fine by me. I'm all for equality, but not when those same women fire fighters and soldiers can enter a poker tournament that is off limits to the men they work along side.

There's a principle here. Surely you can see that?

surely the principle is that men can enter these poker tournaments as the women they work with - but nearly all of them choose not to.

Can't you see the reason why they choose not to?

Of course. That's not the point I'm arguing at all.

The fact that men can enter if they so choose is the thing that makes it fair. Just as women being able to join the fire service makes it fair.

I'm arguing the case for the minority choose to exercise that right.

Having the right to enter is what makes it fair

The minority who choose to exercise that right and then behave in a way that spoils the enjoyment for those who have only entered because it's a ladies event are crass and classless and there's no reason why they shouldn't be made an example of for being so.

There are other men who enter - if they are genuinely protesting against inequality, fair enough. Even if they're their for the soft field but they're 'nice' when they play - that still means that the tournament is serving it's purpose (making a non-intimidating environment) - it's only the boorish few who are called out for it.

But I can't make any counter-arguments any better than Vicky did in her post where she pretty much addressed every criticism - so if you're just going to ignore every point which doesn't suit your purpose then it's hardly worth it. I'm still not entirely convinced that it isn't just trolling.

Vicky admitted to attacking first, and apparently the lad was sitting quietly 'Sullenly' with his hoody pulled up. It sounds to me like she was the boorish one. Still, we only have her version of events so it's difficult to say.

Addressed every criticism? she deleted the criticism and then gave us, in her words, an edited version of what it was.

Then she addressed the bits she wanted to address contradicting herself several times in the process. then she closed the discussion.

Why you should think I'm trolling just because I don't agree with you is beyond me.

For the record, I like and respect Vicky, and you for that matter. In fact I have no axe to grind with anyone in the thread.

Why do people assume that lively debate equals a row?

[Karabiner]

I think that if men want to play in the ladies' event they should at least dress up in drag.

[Steve Swift]

Not sure he cashed, maybe he needs to find a softer game.

[RED-DOG]

Not sure he cashed, maybe he needs to find a softer game.

Maybe the women weren't the only ones who were shy and sensitive and didn't enjoy being picked on.

[Dry em]

Who writes these "laws" that mean they can't legally run a women only tournament?

If need be have an identical men only tournament on the same day. How can that be discriminating to anyone given the other 100 events are all open for anyone to enter?

Did you hold an identical men only tournament on the same day? No.

Did anyone else? No.

Could you force someone to? No.

I wasn't saying I had organised such a tournament or that anyone had, I was suggesting it as a solution

Is it discriminatory that men aren't allowed in women's toilets or visa versa?

[RED-DOG]

Who writes these "laws" that mean they can't legally run a women only tournament?

If need be have an identical men only tournament on the same day. How can that be discriminating to anyone given the other 100 events are all open for anyone to enter?

Did you hold an identical men only tournament on the same day? No.

Did anyone else? No.

Could you force someone to? No.

I wasn't saying I had organised such a tournament or that anyone had, I was suggesting it as a solution

Is it discriminatory that men aren't allowed in women's toilets or visa versa?

No, because it's the same for both. It would be discriminatory if women were allowed in men's toilets but also had women only toilets.

Don't you agree?

[Acidmouse]

He deserved a little ribbing and if he could not muster at least a decent reponse to the question of the reasons for entering the ladies tourney then he got what was coming.  It's mildly amusing if a man dresses up, has a laugh, enjoys the friendly banter etc. but to be sullen, quiet and unfriendly good fuk him and everyone should continue to abuse
Him

[Dry em]

Who writes these "laws" that mean they can't legally run a women only tournament?

If need be have an identical men only tournament on the same day. How can that be discriminating to anyone given the other 100 events are all open for anyone to enter?

Did you hold an identical men only tournament on the same day? No.

Did anyone else? No.

Could you force someone to? No.

I wasn't saying I had organised such a tournament or that anyone had, I was suggesting it as a solution

Is it discriminatory that men aren't allowed in women's toilets or visa versa?

No, because it's the same for both. It would be discriminatory if women were allowed in men's toilets but also had women only toilets.

Don't you agree?

I completely agree thus proving my solution of running an identical men only tournament at the same time would be a fair solution

[RED-DOG]

He deserved a little ribbing and if he could not muster at least a decent reponse to the question of the reasons for entering the ladies tourney then he got what was coming.  It's mildly amusing if a man dresses up, has a laugh, enjoys the friendly banter etc. but to be sullen, quiet and unfriendly good fuk him and everyone should continue to abuse
Him

These are not crimes. he's entitles to be quiet if he likes, and he's under no obligation to answer anyone's questions.

Also, those 'facts' were given to us by Vicky. With the best will in the worls I suspect she may have been a little bit bias.
 
I imagine Mr Ule's version would be somewhat different.

[FUN4FRASER]

And individual tournaments for Muslims , Jews , Budhists , Homosexuals and Kangaroos with one leg

Should be one tournament only ,  that everybody is free to enter