Folding Quads in the One Drop

[TightEnd]

You might have seen this already, day 1 of the One Drop...

Tom Dwan raised

Two callers Mikhail Smirnov and John Morgan. 

Flop 

Dwan checks.

Smirnov bet quickly called by Morgan

Dwan folds

Turn ,

Smirnov bet 200,000, and Morgan quickly called.

River ,

Smirnov bets the third street

Morgan raises all-in for 3.4million total. 

Smirnov went deep into the tank, and eventually folded .  He folded quads.

Dwan and Hellmuth at the table were dumbstruck


Smirnoff's read?

Morgan would have 3-bet pre with K-K

He said that Morgan looked so comfortable throughout the hand, that only the straight flush made sense.



Yes? No? thoughts?

[RED-DOG]

Fold. Plenty of better spots.

[kinboshi]

Fold. Plenty of better spots.

/thread

[outragous76]

Galfond spoke really well about this hand and basically said that HE is never folding, but that it isnt as bad as it sounds

[AlunB]

Hellmuth's AQ call was worse.

[smashedagain]

Galfond spoke really well about this hand and basically said that HE is never folding, but that it isnt as bad as it sounds

Galfond did also say that he expected Morgan to have the str8 flush 50% of the time. The most amazing thing was that after the 8 8 got tabled Morgan, who up until that point did indeed look comfortable, looked like he wanted to be sick and had seen a ghost.  Imagine if you had made a str8 flush and your opponent folded quads in a $1 million event, I am pretty sure there is no hiding your emotions then

[bobAlike]

Galfond spoke really well about this hand and basically said that HE is never folding, but that it isnt as bad as it sounds

Galfond did also say that he expected Morgan to have the str8 flush 50% of the time. The most amazing thing was that after the 8 8 got tabled Morgan, who up until that point did indeed look comfortable, looked like he wanted to be sick and had seen a ghost.  Imagine if you had made a str8 flush and your opponent folded quads in a $1 million event, I am pretty sure there is no hiding your emotions then

That could work the other way too Jase. Imagine he would have felt uncomfortable if hed just unknowingly bluffed in a $1m dollar event.

Do we know what he had?

[AlunB]

Galfond spoke really well about this hand and basically said that HE is never folding, but that it isnt as bad as it sounds

Galfond did also say that he expected Morgan to have the str8 flush 50% of the time. The most amazing thing was that after the 8 8 got tabled Morgan, who up until that point did indeed look comfortable, looked like he wanted to be sick and had seen a ghost.  Imagine if you had made a str8 flush and your opponent folded quads in a $1 million event, I am pretty sure there is no hiding your emotions then

To be fair you would look the same if you have made a ridiculously badly judged shove and dodged a bullet.

Beaten to it. What he said ^^

[Dewi_cool]

why did he show though

[smashedagain]

Galfond spoke really well about this hand and basically said that HE is never folding, but that it isnt as bad as it sounds

Galfond did also say that he expected Morgan to have the str8 flush 50% of the time. The most amazing thing was that after the 8 8 got tabled Morgan, who up until that point did indeed look comfortable, looked like he wanted to be sick and had seen a ghost.  Imagine if you had made a str8 flush and your opponent folded quads in a $1 million event, I am pretty sure there is no hiding your emotions then

That could work the other way too Jase. Imagine he would have felt uncomfortable if hed just unknowingly bluffed in a $1m dollar event.

Do we know what he had?

If it was a bluff do you not show for TV.  If you played a hand so badly that someone can fold 2nd nuts face up do you just muck and not let the whole world know ?

[AlunB]

Not if you feel like an idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9jHmmnW_f4

[smashedagain]

Not if you feel like an idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9jHmmnW_f4

Tbf he makes so many reads putting his opponents on hands and this is one of the few bad ones he makes. Add the fact that you can see the hole cards then the situation is slightly different.

I just think Morgan had the str8 flush and the fact he flopped the nuts and improving just adds more weight to the way the hand played out. Not ever saying I would fold because I would not have. I make the call and say if you have it then good luck to you. Then at least I am immortalised on YouTube as the chump who could not lay down quads

[AlunB]

I wasn't criticising Negreanu or Smirnov. Just saying your motivation for not showing might be embarrassment as much as anything.

[BangBang]

I'm sure most of us go broke here if his opponent had a straight flush... Just like I said before, the stakes are a lot higher so the decisions are much more thought out, especially in the early levels..

The final table will be interesting.. 

[mondatoo]

Hellmuth's AQ call was worse.