Joke Rio Ruling

[DMorgan]

I'm sure there are places where poker is a game of sportsmanship and fair play, but I haven't seen one myself since my home game at uni in '07

[Donk23]

sorry state of affairs

[Donk23]

ive played the leics 1/2, 2/5 nl game at gala casino for the last 3 years as well as private cash games in the leicester area , and nearly 98-99% of disputes havr  been handled with the correct outcome as a result, maybe i've been playing in a vacuum spot where this isn't the norm, i admit i have a lot to learn and am still fairly naive

[ScottMGee]

Not sure you can use Leicester Gala and Sportmanship and Fair Play in the same sentence.

Cliquey and Angle Shooting more the norm.

[Gemini Kings]

As bad as the ruling is, the players response is as bad if not worse (prob worse imo). If that happened to me in a game and I were one of the 3 other players in the pot, firstly obviously i'd be fighting the corner of the 42 guy, secondly if i had the nuts / won the pot I would be snap giving the guy his money back.

Absolutely horrendous from the other players in the hand... i can just about accept floor staff making that ridic ruling, but scum-of-the-earth people calling for his hand to be live in such a clear spot like this is just theft.

Whilst i completely agree its hard when the ruling is made, and you have a roll under 50k$ to turn down 5k though. Can see many people saying I wouldn't when in actually its harder to turn it down in that spot!

If we are referring to the Asian guy jokingly going all in with his 7k stack and his hand being ruled live, Then no-one with an ounce of integrity, decency and compassion for a fellow human in trouble would take advantage for their own greedy benefit. Quite simply discusting.

As said by WotRthechances, any player with near nuts or a strong hand should call and return the guys money.

[jackinbeat]

Seen ecactly the same thing on the cash tables of the old Gutshot in London. Player (well known infact) was pissed, going all in every hand, sa with about £3k at a 1/2 game, he does it again when walking down the stairs, and the joke this time was on him as the dealer forced him all in, all the table to act. Mate of mine wakes up with AK, he's sat with about 32k, deep for him, but he can't put it down, so pissed player rolls over 3 6 or something, catches a 6 on the flop, which has my mate cursing his luck, that is until the K fell on the river.

The player was far from happy, but renowned for playing pissed like this. So no one else was bothered.

Was there any background like this to the OP's post?

[owen1923]

Got to admit if I was the Asian guy in this instance I would simply have picked up my chips and headed for the door,all the while assaulting anyone who tried to stop me with groin high Kung Fu kicks and straight fingered throat punches. What occured had nothing to do with poker, it was straight up robbery, aided and abetted by the Rio.

[jackinbeat]

What would your response be if the asian guy who open mucked had been doing this since he sat down, showing his cards, and saying all in jokes. As a dealer and TD there's a point where the game needs some sense of order, this instance I described a few posts up was reached after this piss head had been messing around for a few hours, slowing the game, and generally pissing everyone off. All the TD did was enforce the rules, if it's a case this was a one off, then harsh ruling for sure, they robbed him. If not and it was more as I've described, what can you do to shut these all in jokers up, and stop them open mucking when the hands still live. Well you force them all in,the asian guy won't be messing around in games again that's for sure.

[owen1923]

All I know is as described in the OP, and as described I revert to the actions as previously described.

[jackinbeat]

All I know is as described in the OP, and as described I revert to the actions as previously described.

If it was a one off joke, and clear to all then the Asian guy did well to just shout into his phone, i'd be calling some mates for sure and telling them i'd just been robbed. Although I wouldn't be messing around saying all in and chucking my cards face up into the muck. Taking advantage of such stupid behaviour, well that's just worse than the TD's decision.

[jgcblack]

IMO morale of the story is don't f**k about when there ARE rules that COULD be enforced...

'Messing about' in this way is foolish, borderline stupid and you're waiting for someone to enforce the rules of the GAME you are playing.

[Tal]

All that should matter is the intention of the player. If it is unclear, what is said should be enforceable.

This was a situation where - going by the OP - the literal interpretation of what was said clearly wasn't the player's intended action. In such a case, any ruling that differs from enforcing the player's INTENDED action is a misapplication of the rules.

If the player has been warned for doing it before, that would be different. That doesn't seem to have been the case here, though.