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« on: July 11, 2012, 10:43:12 PM »

anyone seen this! complete jokes.

$5/$10 at the Rio pot $300 on a board of something like  or something and the first player open mucks, accidnetly revealing his hand as  two spades (the board) he then jokingly says "all in"

3 other people in the pot with $5,000 effective stacks call for a ruling and the first ruling is that the hand is live and the all-in stands, the player obviously is stunned asks for someone more senior and that person also rules the hand live and the all in standing!

This was a day after I was n the mega sat and say a guy go allin from the HJ, the sb said "Call" then BB folds and the BB then throws his cards up 1 of them exposes the other stays down and the dealer mucks them both, he had KK and everyone on one half of the table saw. The hand is ruled still live and they have every single card in themuck face up trying to decide which of the three mucked kings are his two, with the floorman saying "just use any two of those kings"

The place is a total, utter and embarrasing joke
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 10:58:53 PM »

Original OP from 2+2, op was at table, and is reputable.

"(Note: this situation drew a lot of attention in the Pavilion room & was notable enough that I feel it belongs in NVG, but if necessary mods can move it.)

I witnessed one of the strangest things I've ever seen while playing cash at the Rio and imo it brought up some interesting rules & ethics considerations. tl;dr alert

Prologue: It's a very loose 5/10 NLHE cash game at the WSOP that played much higher with double straddles, in-the-dark raises UTG, etc. All players were very deep with the biggest stack around $7k.

Act I: A hand comes up that is initially one of the smallest of the night. On the flop the pot is only ~$300 and all four active players check down a rainbow board of KQxx.

The river is a 10 and the first player to act is the $7k big stack - a nutty Asian guy who speaks in broken English. He stands up and pitches his cards at the muck face up, and we see they're 4s2s -a hand that can't even beat the board. After the hand hits the felt in front of the dealer, Asian Guy jokingly announces "All-in". We roll our eyes at his attempt at humor and the next player to act reaches for chips to take a stab at the pot.

Act II: Suddenly one of the other active players stops the action and tells the dealer that the Asian guy is indeed all-in. We murmur and look at each other, but another active player chimes in, agreeing. Now everyone is chattering, with some players (including me) pointing out that there is absolutely zero chance that the Asian guy's intention was to move all-in, and others claiming the hand is live and that it doesn't matter what his intention was.

The dealer shrugs and explains his understanding of the rules: a face-up hand is live even if it hits the muck. Chaos ensues and the Asian guy goes bananas shouting "I muck! I muck hand!" over and over while reenacting the gesture of throwing the cards away. A floorman is called and once the action is recounted he snap-rules that the dealer is correct and that the hand is live. The shouting goes to 11, a sizable crowd gathers, and Asian Guy has a conniption, demanding confirmation from the senior supervisor. But once called, the senior floorman snap-rules that the snap-rule is correct: the hand is live.

So to recap: Asian Guy has moved all-in for $7,000 into a $300 pot with the nut-low face-up on the table and three players yet to act.

Act III: Player 2 fist-pump insta-ships for ~$5k. The final two players curse the Poker Gods that their hands likely aren't strong enough to win and that stacks aren't deep enough to profitably overcall, and fold. Player 2 flips up J9 for the second nuts and drags a $10,000 pot. Asian Guy howls into his cell phone for a minute, grabs the remnants of his stack and disappears.

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Was this a good ruling? Should the floor have superseded the letter of the law in favor of the spirit of the game and the man's obvious intentions?

If you're the 2nd player to act, what hands do you ship? If you're the 3rd player to act and the 2nd player ships, with what hands do you call? If you're the 4th player and both Players 2 & 3 ship, with what hands to you call?

And if you're Asian Guy, what would be your preferred method of suicide?"

(http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/bizarre-hand-questionable-ruling-rio-bonus-questions-nvg-edition-1220150/)
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Also a hand took place where both people have the nut flush, with two   in the deck. Sounds like a joke in the room tbh (linked here; http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/2-players-flop-nut-flush-playing-cash-wsop-1219323/)

This is the year after a huge fuss was made over the quality of cards, marked cards etc etc.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 11:06:11 PM »

Not sure what's worse, the ruling or Player 2 insta shipping with 2nd nuts, wtf ?
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 11:09:14 PM »

Not sure what's worse, the ruling or Player 2 insta shipping with 2nd nuts, wtf ?

Apparently OP describes positions on river as: Chinese fish, 40y/o grinder who speaks up, 40y/o rec dude who doesnt speak, another grinder.

Would have been awesome if rec dude snaps with AJ, and gives chinese fish his 5k back.

Also, tank for 3 mins with J9 has to be optimal if your happy calling. Not sure i would be, depends on roll i guess.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 11:10:09 PM »

Perhaps it is a good idea to play all slow with frozen expression these days. Trying to have fun can be expensive. Ruling allows clear angle shoot which is what you pay the casino to protect you from.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 11:17:13 PM »

Goes without saying that it's absolute filth to call for a ruling here.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 11:44:57 PM »

Shouldn't expose cards when action hasn't finished.

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 11:49:41 PM »

Shouldn't expose cards when action hasn't finished.

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Shouldn't cost him 5k to find that out
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 02:02:22 AM »

As bad as the ruling is, the players response is as bad if not worse (prob worse imo). If that happened to me in a game and I were one of the 3 other players in the pot, firstly obviously i'd be fighting the corner of the 42 guy, secondly if i had the nuts / won the pot I would be snap giving the guy his money back.

Absolutely horrendous from the other players in the hand... i can just about accept floor staff making that ridic ruling, but scum-of-the-earth people calling for his hand to be live in such a clear spot like this is just theft.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 02:46:12 AM »

As bad as the ruling is, the players response is as bad if not worse (prob worse imo). If that happened to me in a game and I were one of the 3 other players in the pot, firstly obviously i'd be fighting the corner of the 42 guy, secondly if i had the nuts / won the pot I would be snap giving the guy his money back.

Absolutely horrendous from the other players in the hand... i can just about accept floor staff making that ridic ruling, but scum-of-the-earth people calling for his hand to be live in such a clear spot like this is just theft.

Whilst i completely agree its hard when the ruling is made, and you have a roll under 50k$ to turn down 5k though. Can see many people saying I wouldn't when in actually its harder to turn it down in that spot!
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 02:57:53 AM »

Technically I'm sure the ruling is when your hand is exposed you lose all right to make an aggresive action?
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 03:00:19 AM »

Technically I'm sure the ruling is when your hand is exposed you lose all right to make an aggresive action?

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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 03:32:04 AM »

lol internet players 'very deep game' biggest stack had 700bb, rest of his post thus holds no credibility
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2012, 03:47:10 AM »

lol internet players 'very deep game' biggest stack had 700bb, rest of his post thus holds no credibility

A few years ago you used to slag off live poker something rotten. Now it's all lol internet players eh?
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2012, 05:16:32 AM »

Could this be down to times are tough out there post Black Friday, so angle shooting can be less frowned upon now, because in all technicality this is a legitimate play? Just so rotten morally. Is there a trend developing for angle shooting more so than in prev years from any experienced live players views?
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