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« on: July 22, 2012, 03:07:25 AM »

Details are a bit meh, but Junior an CraigBetts basically said I butchered it..

Blinds 1/2K A200
Folded round to me in MP I raise 4600 with  folded to button who flats ( not been on table a great length of time but Junior said if he raises he's got it and has just had AA aipf against KK and KK mbn ) Also Big Blind comes along who seems to know what he's doing.

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Bb checks I bet 8500 button then makes it 25K by chucking in 5 purples, bb folds action back on me..
I have around 120K
And villain on button is playing roughly 100ish
WWYD?
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2012, 03:13:16 AM »

I'd probs just jam
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2012, 03:36:12 AM »

45k/snap - jam any turn if he flats
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2012, 03:38:23 AM »

45k/snap - jam any turn if he flats
Has to be way better than jamming.

Dot let him play perfectly.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2012, 04:50:24 AM »

Oh my god, what the hell is the world coming to. Just gone out my way to check the Dtd site then come in here. What do I find but you posting in pha.
You are stil in man...... Fuck em (next you will be sitting down to piss)

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 05:24:08 AM »


Dont let him play perfectly.

Seems unlikely
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 08:24:33 AM »


Dont let him play perfectly.

Seems unlikely

Yeh let's not get carried away. It's the grand prix. Just shove
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2012, 09:11:15 AM »

45k/snap - jam any turn if he flats
Has to be way better than jamming.

Dot let him play perfectly.

I disagree...if for any reason you want to fold because you feel he has AA or QQ then obviously do it (very hard to do unless you have a good read on the guy )  however.....

If you are continuing he obv could be re raising you with AQ  J 10 or any hearts combo so as to get full value and/or make him pay to see the turn and river... jamming is the only option on this draw heavy board
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2012, 09:11:59 AM »

Yer i'd shove Let him commit his stack on a draw (if he's got one).
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2012, 09:34:34 AM »

Make your all in sound super dramatic. Plus one life point for every player that gasps
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2012, 10:16:46 AM »

Make your all in sound super dramatic. Plus one life point for every player that gasps

And ten if anyone falls off their chair!
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 12:48:09 PM »


Dont let him play perfectly.

Seems unlikely

Yeh let's not get carried away. It's the grand prix. Just shove

What have you. 2 read the op? If he has nothing then he isn't goIng tO call a shove.

When we say play perfectly it means call his gOod hands fold his bad hands.  If we give him space he could make bad peels and/or spew.

Jamming just seems like arghhhh I'm scared 2 hearts gotta gOnall in before the 3rd one comes.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 12:59:11 PM »

To be honest with you in this comp, wouldent be surprised to see him snap with AK
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2012, 01:01:42 PM »


Dont let him play perfectly.

Seems unlikely

Yeh let's not get carried away. It's the grand prix. Just shove

What have you. 2 read the op? If he has nothing then he isn't goIng tO call a shove.

When we say play perfectly it means call his gOod hands fold his bad hands.  If we give him space he could make bad peels and/or spew.

Jamming just seems like arghhhh I'm scared 2 hearts gotta gOnall in before the 3rd one comes.

Still cant agree with you mate but happy to listen to your logic...so lets try it this way....

If we put him on AA or QQ we fold obv...right ?...So assumming we dont put him on one of these two the hands the question I ask is

What hand is he raising with ? ...the way I see it hes more or less commited to any shove unless its a stone cold bluff.

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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2012, 01:31:20 PM »


Dont let him play perfectly.

Seems unlikely

Yeh let's not get carried away. It's the grand prix. Just shove

What have you. 2 read the op? If he has nothing then he isn't goIng tO call a shove.

When we say play perfectly it means call his gOod hands fold his bad hands.  If we give him space he could make bad peels and/or spew.

Jamming just seems like arghhhh I'm scared 2 hearts gotta gOnall in before the 3rd one comes.

Still cant agree with you mate but happy to listen to your logic...so lets try it this way....

If we put him on AA or QQ we fold obv...right ?...So assumming we dont put him on one of these two the hands the question I ask is

What hand is he raising with ? ...the way I see it hes more or less commited to any shove unless its a stone cold bluff.



op says opponent 3bets qq+ 100% of the time, he calls so im discounting anything that beats us.

he can have all the AQ combos, the Q9s combos, the A9s combos, even if we give him 1 combo of AA (far too generous) we obv want to get it in lol

if he does have a random Ax that calls pre (people like to call Ax especially Axss) then he will evry rarely call our jam, but live players hate folding, so if we make it small he can make a tonne of mistakes, usually it will mena he calls and we give him a chance to hit 2 pair on the turn, or top pair  + flush draw/straight draw or even trips if the top pair pairs.

if he has flush draws or some random gutshot he will always fold to our shove but when we make it smaller he will make mistakes by either calling or by jamming, very very very rarely will he fold.

if he does have a value hand dont worry, he isn't folding to the 3bet.

if you jam its just isolating yourself vs the top of his range and allowing him to play perfect.

again.. playing perfect doesn't mean playing like phil ivey, it means making him call his good hands, fold his bad hands.

shoving would be really really bad imo.
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