Grand Prix Hand

[FUN4FRASER]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

From your perspective youve raised to see where you are in the hand.... which is okay as you got your answer ( he went all in )

What about when dean shoves J10 or a heart draw?

What answer have you got then?

I just added bring on the flames  ..

I agree Cos..its a great question you ask and ofc a really difficult spot to call...what and if and but etc etc..

[rfgqqabc]

Pretty sure his call 45k and call jam range are the same. Much prefer a cram, i would never expect someone in the live pokeys to 4b a flop like ever. Think we might even get heros folds out of AJ with some people making it 45k.

[pleno1]

HE CAN CALLLLLL

Oh, 80k in pot? 20 for me, I have top pur, ok I'll see a turn.

Oh wow only another 30k for me to see a river, wow i have two pair? flush draw. still top pair

droooooooooooollllllll

cc c c call

[rfgqqabc]

HE CAN CALLLLLL

Oh, 80k in pot? 20 for me, I have top pur, ok I'll see a turn.

Oh wow only another 30k for me to see a river, wow i have two pair? flush draw. still top pair

droooooooooooollllllll

cc c c call

even the most terrribad players notice a clickback tho sir

and many players would go, he has wagered all of his betting discs. Hmmmm, well i have toppest pair, and there are cards of similar shape, and colour on the board. Gambol!

Also nature of tourney might mean people lol call with stuff cos re-entry etc

[GreekStein]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

From your perspective youve raised to see where you are in the hand.... which is okay as you got your answer ( he went all in )

What about when dean shoves J10 or a heart draw?

What answer have you got then?

I just added bring on the flames  ..

I agree Cos..its a great question you ask and ofc a really difficult spot to call...what and if and but etc etc..

We raise for value and gain information as we do it. If we're raising for information we're doing something wrong.

[rfgqqabc]

HE CAN CALLLLLL

Oh, 80k in pot? 20 for me, I have top pur, ok I'll see a turn.

Oh wow only another 30k for me to see a river, wow i have two pair? flush draw. still top pair

droooooooooooollllllll

cc c c call

even the most terrribad players notice a clickback tho sir

and many players would go, he has wagered all of his betting discs. Hmmmm, well i have toppest pair, and there are cards of similar shape, and colour on the board. Gambol!

Also nature of tourney might mean people lol call with stuff cos re-entry etc

Also bear in mind someone is likely to say, "But that raise is too small, its below the minimum" and the when the table find out it isn't its  

[aggers]

So if he flats your 25k bet what do you do on a totally blank turn?

Also if he made it 45k what do you do?

I think if he flats and then checks a blank turn to me I would probably have shoved. I know that's bad from me, but just being honest to show that would have been the best line for Leatherman.

Not sure about the 45K. Even with my rushed thoughts I think that would have alarmed me, but still not sure I could have got away from it.

What about when dean shoves J10 or a heart draw?

What answer have you got then?

This is why I knew pretty quickly that I'd made a mess of the hand - he can shove these hands as well as better hands than mine, so my raise just played into that.

[stato_1]

Villain dependent but clicking this back vs most people for pretty much every reason Pleno said.

[DMorgan]

Does he had 100k back after he raises or 100k at the start of the hand?

If its 100k at the start of the hand so he has ~70k back I'd just jam. We're always getting it in vs 2pr or combo draws anyway so we want to do whatever is best vs his Ax one pair hands. If you jam you can just let him put you on a draw and call it off. Even your average villain in this comp is capable of understanding that you aren't bluffing here.

Put yourself in villains shoes. When a recreational player makes this sizing he has the absolute stones. I'd prefer not to give him a chance to put two and two together.

If we're deeper then I'd prefer the small raise because then we can legit give the illusion of fold equity.

[Leatherman]

Does he had 100k back after he raises or 100k at the start of the hand?

If its 100k at the start of the hand so he has ~70k back I'd just jam. We're always getting it in vs 2pr or combo draws anyway so we want to do whatever is best vs his Ax one pair hands. If you jam you can just let him put you on a draw and call it off. Even your average villain in this comp is capable of understanding that you aren't bluffing here.

Put yourself in villains shoes. When a recreational player makes this sizing he has the absolute stones. I'd prefer not to give him a chance to put two and two together.

If we're deeper then I'd prefer the small raise because then we can legit give the illusion of fold equity.

At a guess I'd say he has 100 back after he's raised.. When he slipped them 5 purples over he looked very strong and I didn't really think he'd fold tbh.
If it had been the bb guy I'd like to think I would of clicked it back as he seemed more capable of some sick bluffs, like a few have said you don't see people raise folding TPTK in these sort of comps very often.
If I had just called I would of 100% jammed any turn unless it would of come the 9.  because it was slightly wet and I didn't have the stones.