Grand Prix Hand

[pleno1]

but they arent thinking of what they are doing. in 80% of the time they are abs droolers looking at their cards and the board, they aren't thinking in ranges.

[Leatherman]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

   to blonde fella
Pretty sure u was button pal, because Northampton lad was bb I remember this as it was second time I'd raised his big blind and thinking that I didn't want to play many hands against him after seeing his soul read with Ace 3.
Yeh the A7o hand is one that I'd quickly like to forget about, just another hand that my biggest railboy (cBetts) told me that I'd butchered.
As for what should ya have done with Ace Jack CALL PLZ.. 

[FUN4FRASER]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

   to blonde fella
Pretty sure u was button pal, because Northampton lad was bb I remember this as it was second time I'd raised his big blind and thinking that I didn't want to play many hands against him after seeing his soul read with Ace 3.
Yeh the A7o hand is one that I'd quickly like to forget about, just another hand that my biggest railboy (cBetts) told me that I'd butchered.
As for what should ya have done with Ace Jack CALL PLZ.. 

Ahhh so you went allin and he mucked !....you should of took Plenos line   

[TL900]

when playing in live bowl comps, balance should be one of the last things we concentrate on whilst getting the max chips in each individuali hand should be number 1 priority.

this

[TL900]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

   to blonde fella
Pretty sure u was button pal, because Northampton lad was bb I remember this as it was second time I'd raised his big blind and thinking that I didn't want to play many hands against him after seeing his soul read with Ace 3.
Yeh the A7o hand is one that I'd quickly like to forget about, just another hand that my biggest railboy (cBetts) told me that I'd butchered.
As for what should ya have done with Ace Jack CALL PLZ.. 

Ahhh so you went allin and he mucked !....you should of took Plenos line   

my line :p

[TL900]

when playing in live bowl comps, balance should be one of the last things we concentrate on whilst getting the max chips in each individuali hand should be number 1 priority.

I think it looks absurdly strong when we make it like 45k - think he can hero fold hands like top and bottom or bottom two when we do this.

it does, but the average live player just sees it as 'oh just 20k more? ok i call because I have top pair and that is good' Saying the average live player is gona fold A9 when we make it 45k is just wrong imo.

[pleno1]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

   to blonde fella
Pretty sure u was button pal, because Northampton lad was bb I remember this as it was second time I'd raised his big blind and thinking that I didn't want to play many hands against him after seeing his soul read with Ace 3.
Yeh the A7o hand is one that I'd quickly like to forget about, just another hand that my biggest railboy (cBetts) told me that I'd butchered.
As for what should ya have done with Ace Jack CALL PLZ.. 

Ahhh so you went allin and he mucked !....you should of took Plenos line   

the optimal line

fyp

[pleno1]

when playing in live bowl comps, balance should be one of the last things we concentrate on whilst getting the max chips in each individuali hand should be number 1 priority.

I think it looks absurdly strong when we make it like 45k - think he can hero fold hands like top and bottom or bottom two when we do this.

it does, but the average live player just sees it as 'oh just 20k more? ok i call because I have top pair and that is good' Saying the average live player is gona fold A9 when we make it 45k is just wrong imo.

exactly yer

[GreekStein]

when playing in live bowl comps, balance should be one of the last things we concentrate on whilst getting the max chips in each individuali hand should be number 1 priority.

this

meh don't think Matt really meant balance in the sense you're thinking. He just means (as he explained) that his line is going to look more like draws too and is generally less strong than when we click back to 45. I agree.

Think his line is much better for this level of live comp.

[GreekStein]

when playing in live bowl comps, balance should be one of the last things we concentrate on whilst getting the max chips in each individuali hand should be number 1 priority.

I think it looks absurdly strong when we make it like 45k - think he can hero fold hands like top and bottom or bottom two when we do this.

it does, but the average live player just sees it as 'oh just 20k more? ok i call because I have top pair and that is good' Saying the average live player is gona fold A9 when we make it 45k is just wrong imo.

exactly yer

they might see it like that at 25/50 when its level 1 but not at this stage imo.

[FUN4FRASER]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

From your perspective youve raised to see where you are in the hand.... which is okay as you got your answer ( he went all in )

As regards calling an all in with AQ....well most  people including me would call with top 2... its just unlucky to be losing to bottom set

Personally I think your play & thought process is fine.  (Bring on the flames )

[FUN4FRASER]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

   to blonde fella
Pretty sure u was button pal, because Northampton lad was bb I remember this as it was second time I'd raised his big blind and thinking that I didn't want to play many hands against him after seeing his soul read with Ace 3.
Yeh the A7o hand is one that I'd quickly like to forget about, just another hand that my biggest railboy (cBetts) told me that I'd butchered.
As for what should ya have done with Ace Jack CALL PLZ.. 

Ahhh so you went allin and he mucked !....you should of took Plenos line   

the optimal line

fyp

Hehe   

[Killerkilsby]

So if he flats your 25k bet what do you do on a totally blank turn?

Also if he made it 45k what do you do?

[GreekStein]

I was the villain in this hand. Bit dubious posting in this thread (and revealing my hand) as I obviously played it badly (it was 1 of 3 hands through the day I really wasn't happy with) but this was the main reason for me joining here - so the prospect of getting criticised on here will make me slow down and stop spewing.

I had... AJ. At the time I just saw Leatherman bet 8.5K into a 19K pot (I was in the CO, the BTN called behind me and the blinds folded) on a wet board and raised to protect my top pair.... Obviously didn't think things through well, just jumped on the fact it looked a weak lead on wet board. I know now I was either slightly ahead or way behind but just rushed my thoughts at the time (big problem of mine). A few hands before he had raised in EP with A7o and I won the pot when it was checked all the way down on a scary board, so I thought he may have been a bit annoyed with that. Also I didn't want the button calling behind as he was one of the better players at the table.

What should I have done?

Not gonna lie I would have raised and called the shove with AQ, but that looks terrible now.

From your perspective youve raised to see where you are in the hand.... which is okay as you got your answer ( he went all in )

What about when dean shoves J10 or a heart draw?

What answer have you got then?

[pleno1]

obviously, raising to find out where you are is 99% going to be the nut WORST line to take in a hand for obvious reasons.