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« Reply #240 on: December 12, 2012, 09:11:26 AM »

I am also leaning towards Ennis and Farah, however one thing I am still wondering about the voting demographic. Are we sure it is made up of idiots in the general public, because if so, Im really surprised Tony McCoy won it in 2010 with 40% of the vote. I know it was a really weak year and this year the country is on a real high with Olympic fever, but surely most of the general public didnt even know who McCoy was?

This was the voting, interesting Ennis made 3rd that year:

1. Tony McCoy 293,152 (41.98%)
2. Phil Taylor 72,095 (10.33)
3. Jessica Ennis 62,953 (9.02)
4. Lee Westwood 58,640 (8.4)
5. Graeme McDowell 52,108 (7.46)
6. Tom Daley 50,763 (7.27%)
7. Mark Cavendish 44,170 (6.33)
8. Amy Williams 43,056 (6.17)
9. Graeme Swann 13,767 (1.97)
10. David Haye 7,538 (1.08)

I actually think this supports my point. The papers were full of support for AP and so were the radio stations, TV and anything else going. Phil Taylor got second, and as much as I love darts, this doesn't suggest Telegraph readers are the ones calling the shots.

Ennis has more chance of winning than I personally believe she deserves. That isn't to say she hasn't done exceptionally well this year and coped with an enormous amount of expectation on her shoulders. I just believe that at least three others are more deserving.
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« Reply #241 on: December 12, 2012, 09:14:45 AM »

I am also leaning towards Ennis and Farah, however one thing I am still wondering about the voting demographic. Are we sure it is made up of idiots in the general public, because if so, Im really surprised Tony McCoy won it in 2010 with 40% of the vote. I know it was a really weak year and this year the country is on a real high with Olympic fever, but surely most of the general public didnt even know who McCoy was?

This was the voting, interesting Ennis made 3rd that year:

1. Tony McCoy 293,152 (41.98%)
2. Phil Taylor 72,095 (10.33)
3. Jessica Ennis 62,953 (9.02)
4. Lee Westwood 58,640 (8.4)
5. Graeme McDowell 52,108 (7.46)
6. Tom Daley 50,763 (7.27%)
7. Mark Cavendish 44,170 (6.33)
8. Amy Williams 43,056 (6.17)
9. Graeme Swann 13,767 (1.97)
10. David Haye 7,538 (1.08)

I actually think this supports my point. The papers were full of support for AP and so were the radio stations, TV and anything else going. Phil Taylor got second, and as much as I love darts, this doesn't suggest Telegraph readers are the ones calling the shots.

Ennis has more chance of winning than I personally believe she deserves. That isn't to say she hasn't done exceptionally well this year and coped with an enormous amount of expectation on her shoulders. I just believe that at least three others are more deserving.

Assuming you are including Andy Murray in that I couldnt disagree more!

Olympians get 1 shot every 4 years at achieving their goal. Add to that the sheer weight of national expectation on Ennis (partly brought on herself obv), but it far outweights Murray eventually winning a grandslam out of his "x" attempts. Just because we are generally bad at a spot as a nation, doesnt mean we should put on a pedestal one kid who makes it in a generation.
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« Reply #242 on: December 12, 2012, 09:18:21 AM »

I'd vote for Mo, just to annoy the BNP and Woodsey.
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« Reply #243 on: December 12, 2012, 09:29:16 AM »

Just because most people don't watch cycling on the tele doesn't make them idiots.  It's pretty much only the TdF that's accessable to most, I don't think any other event is on normal tele.  Ennis was thrusted in the public view before, during and since the games. I don't think a week goes by when I don't see her on one chat show or another.  Can't remember the last time I saw Wiggins (or Mo).
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« Reply #244 on: December 12, 2012, 09:29:57 AM »

I am also leaning towards Ennis and Farah, however one thing I am still wondering about the voting demographic. Are we sure it is made up of idiots in the general public, because if so, Im really surprised Tony McCoy won it in 2010 with 40% of the vote. I know it was a really weak year and this year the country is on a real high with Olympic fever, but surely most of the general public didnt even know who McCoy was?

This was the voting, interesting Ennis made 3rd that year:

1. Tony McCoy 293,152 (41.98%)
2. Phil Taylor 72,095 (10.33)
3. Jessica Ennis 62,953 (9.02)
4. Lee Westwood 58,640 (8.4)
5. Graeme McDowell 52,108 (7.46)
6. Tom Daley 50,763 (7.27%)
7. Mark Cavendish 44,170 (6.33)
8. Amy Williams 43,056 (6.17)
9. Graeme Swann 13,767 (1.97)
10. David Haye 7,538 (1.08)

I actually think this supports my point. The papers were full of support for AP and so were the radio stations, TV and anything else going. Phil Taylor got second, and as much as I love darts, this doesn't suggest Telegraph readers are the ones calling the shots.

Ennis has more chance of winning than I personally believe she deserves. That isn't to say she hasn't done exceptionally well this year and coped with an enormous amount of expectation on her shoulders. I just believe that at least three others are more deserving.

Assuming you are including Andy Murray in that I couldnt disagree more!

Olympians get 1 shot every 4 years at achieving their goal. Add to that the sheer weight of national expectation on Ennis (partly brought on herself obv), but it far outweights Murray eventually winning a grandslam out of his "x" attempts. Just because we are generally bad at a spot as a nation, doesnt mean we should put on a pedestal one kid who makes it in a generation.


I am but our question is whether she can win, rather than whether she can place. Sadly, my conclusion is she can.
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« Reply #245 on: December 12, 2012, 09:39:48 AM »

I am also leaning towards Ennis and Farah, however one thing I am still wondering about the voting demographic. Are we sure it is made up of idiots in the general public, because if so, Im really surprised Tony McCoy won it in 2010 with 40% of the vote. I know it was a really weak year and this year the country is on a real high with Olympic fever, but surely most of the general public didnt even know who McCoy was?

This was the voting, interesting Ennis made 3rd that year:

1. Tony McCoy 293,152 (41.98%)
2. Phil Taylor 72,095 (10.33)
3. Jessica Ennis 62,953 (9.02)
4. Lee Westwood 58,640 (8.4)
5. Graeme McDowell 52,108 (7.46)
6. Tom Daley 50,763 (7.27%)
7. Mark Cavendish 44,170 (6.33)
8. Amy Williams 43,056 (6.17)
9. Graeme Swann 13,767 (1.97)
10. David Haye 7,538 (1.08)

I actually think this supports my point. The papers were full of support for AP and so were the radio stations, TV and anything else going. Phil Taylor got second, and as much as I love darts, this doesn't suggest Telegraph readers are the ones calling the shots.

Ennis has more chance of winning than I personally believe she deserves. That isn't to say she hasn't done exceptionally well this year and coped with an enormous amount of expectation on her shoulders. I just believe that at least three others are more deserving.

Assuming you are including Andy Murray in that I couldnt disagree more!

Olympians get 1 shot every 4 years at achieving their goal. Add to that the sheer weight of national expectation on Ennis (partly brought on herself obv), but it far outweights Murray eventually winning a grandslam out of his "x" attempts. Just because we are generally bad at a spot as a nation, doesnt mean we should put on a pedestal one kid who makes it in a generation.


I am but our question is whether she can win, rather than whether she can place. Sadly, my conclusion is she can.

I can“t see where the sadness would come from, pretty much any of them winning would only bring happiness.
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« Reply #246 on: December 12, 2012, 09:49:50 AM »

I like the people to win who I want to win. That's all I meant.

If Lisa Riley wins Strictly, I'll be disappointed because I believe others are better dancers. I'll be happy for her and wish her health, wealth and happiness, but I'd rather someone else won.

If Ennis wins, I will be happy for her and it will cap a fantastic year for her and for British sport. I will also be disappointed that Wiggins didn't win, because I think his achievements this year were greater.

Like I say, Ennis has done fabulous things this year and I have nothing but respect for her. However, that SPOTY is as much a popularity contest as a decision on the best achievement over a 12 month period is a little disappointing to me. That's perhaps a better word.
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« Reply #247 on: December 16, 2012, 08:34:52 AM »

Looking forward to watching this as much as I am an actual sporting event, what a year it's been.
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« Reply #248 on: December 16, 2012, 09:22:55 AM »

Looking forward to watching this as much as I am an actual sporting event, what a year it's been.

^^^ this

For me super Saturday was the highlight of the sporting year with Mo being the icing. My vote is for the Mo bot.
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« Reply #249 on: December 16, 2012, 11:27:19 AM »

Looking forward to watching this as much as I am an actual sporting event, what a year it's been.

^^^ this

For me super Saturday was the highlight of the sporting year with Mo being the icing. My vote is for the Mo bot.

I haven't bothered watching it for a while but I think it's easily going to be well worth it this year for the sporting review aspect of it.

My vote would also go for Mo because his achievement is good for anyone in the world to do whereas others like Wiggins or Murray are only particularly good because they're British.

As good as she is I think Ennis is one of the weakest in the field so I'd be pretty disappointed if she won it purely based on popularity - but ultimately it's the sporting roundup I'm interested in rather than the actual award part.
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« Reply #250 on: December 16, 2012, 11:33:10 AM »

I am voting for Mo, those Saturday nights were the highlights of the sporting year for me

I expect him to be third to Wiggins and Ennis

It's a year when 7-8 of the final 10 would win in most other years
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« Reply #251 on: December 16, 2012, 01:10:17 PM »

My vote goes to Ben Ainslie.  If they rig it so he doesn't win, then can Ennis win pls.
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« Reply #252 on: December 16, 2012, 01:19:01 PM »

I would love to see Nicola Adams win (she won't obviously) for no other reason than her smile. You could really feel her happiness and how much it all meant to her whenever she was on TV.

Also I would like to see David Weir or Sarah Storey get a top 3 place (this isn't going to happen either) for their achievements but I believe Ellie Simmonds stands more chance.
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« Reply #253 on: December 16, 2012, 03:11:14 PM »

Jess is onto from last night. Hope she takes it down, purely from a profit point of view. Can't see enough cycling fans voting for Wiggo...
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« Reply #254 on: December 16, 2012, 07:55:33 PM »

Wiggo has had a few?
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