Sunday 500. TT awkward spot vs Strong opening range.

[stato_1]

Table '612020018 9' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: rubenrtv (105712 in chips)
Seat 2: bullyon (78554 in chips)
Seat 3: Gigacide (104250 in chips)
Seat 4: blinchik (52268 in chips)
Seat 5: Skilled G (281364 in chips)
Seat 6: anneka_15 (64224 in chips)
Seat 7: stato_1 (146194 in chips)
Seat 8: g0epr0 (89681 in chips)
Seat 9: BizBills (254554 in chips)
rubenrtv: posts the ante 400
bullyon: posts the ante 400
Gigacide: posts the ante 400
blinchik: posts the ante 400
Skilled G: posts the ante 400
anneka_15: posts the ante 400
stato_1: posts the ante 400
g0epr0: posts the ante 400
BizBills: posts the ante 400
BizBills: posts small blind 2000
rubenrtv: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stato_1 [ ]
bullyon: raises 4000 to 8000
Gigacide: folds
blinchik: folds
Skilled G: folds
anneka_15: folds
stato_1:

Guy is good winning reg
Thoughts?

[TL900]

looks pretty similar to this:

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=58552.0

Although the few less bb's makes it more awkward imo. I think fold or 3b/f is better in this scenario with the few less bb effective. (think we do horrible vs his 4b jam range) He can still be opening some random ATs/AJs stuff like that people dont like to just open fold these very often. Think i 17420/fold in game.

Calling doesnt seem all that appealing vs a winning reg harder to outplay post with the effective stacks even with position.

Think 17420/fold is slightly better than just folding, but I may be wrong

[Oxford_HRV]

You have to call, got enough chipolatas.
not familiar at all with this level buy in
But to 3b his open you are folding to a 4b on his perceived range?
what's the tables image to him here? will it look like your iso'in to stop the blinds jumping in?
if table dynamics has been rather nitty and no one is calling opens or 3b I see alot of decent players exploiting UTG just to have a stronger perceived range.
If he flatted pre what would you do?

all in all if you're just not liking this spot then call for the gamble and ping top set on a T high rainbow
if you're 3b I'd make it 18k+ with the intention of calling a shove.

[George2Loose]

Hate 3 bet/folding.

And I hate these spots. I usually end up calling and then not knowing what to do post. Think you can just fold and not tell anyone.

Tens feels like the line too cos I probs 3 bet/call jacks

[Doobs]

3b 18k call.  Even if behind just bink and crush whole tournament.

Good winning reg should be fairly wide utg with antes and will know you know that surely?

[George2Loose]

3b 18k call.  Even if behind just bink and crush whole tournament.

Good winning reg should be fairly wide utg with antes and will know you know that surely?

Don't think he will be too wide with 20 bigs

He's probs raise folding some hands though

[Doobs]

3b 18k call.  Even if behind just bink and crush whole tournament.

Good winning reg should be fairly wide utg with antes and will know you know that surely?

Don't think he will be too wide with 20 bigs

He's probs raise folding some hands though

20 is still fine to raise fold, surely?  Would assign a much stronger range with 10 or 15?

Raise to 18 to make him think he has fold equity.

I think this is a better stack size to do this than the other linked example. 

[The Camel]

I'd 3/bet call and invariably lose.

Major leak in my game, I think folding is fine v this guy.

[the rage]

I think it has to be a choice between folding and 3 bet calling.
I haven't played at these stakes so i'm purely speculating.
I would say that, the tighter that you perceive villian's opening range to be, the more you should be inclined to fold. Do you have any info/stats?
If you think that he's raising 10% and 4 betting 5%, then i would say it's definitely a 3 bet call.
I think it's pretty close, and very much villian dependent, but, unless he has a very tight opening range, it's a 3 bet call for me.
Good one Stato.

[action man]

trivial 3bet /call gets trickier with 88

[TL900]

3bet/calling is a losing play here for sure. lol at 3b/calling 88.

[mondatoo]

Vs a random good reg without anymore info definitely 3b/c here, think 99 is fun, sigh fold 88 without anymore info on villain. Hate 3b/f, and hand is too strong to be peeling.

[action man]

3bet/calling is a losing play here for sure. lol at 3b/calling 88.

it might be down the gala in a £30f

why are you so sure about this being a losing play? what stakes do you play online usually?

[action man]

if your image is pretty loose, id favour 15,500 as a betsize as it could induce spazzy jams or get AQ to fold as that's a good result for us, or even induce rubernrtv to jam behind, if you've been pretty solid its gonna be tough to get it in dominating but 3b/c is still the best option
available in this tournament in my experience. The fact that there are only 2 3betjam stacks to get through widens his range up enough to make 3b/call profitable here.

In a different tourney I could see myself folding here. Unless your aim by calling is to induce behind, depending on gameflow then i hate the peel.

[claypole]

3bet/calling is a losing play here for sure. lol at 3b/calling 88.

it might be down the gala in a £30f

why are you so sure about this being a losing play? what stakes do you play online usually?

oi oi Triggggar.

FWIW, i am 3b/calling but I am a fish who used to be able to play at these levels