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[pleno1]

Yep it's that terrible him flatting the 4 bet that no one has a clue what to do once he does lol.

Villains spr is 1:1.5

But someone once said flatting 4bets out of position is bad, so it must be lol. Give me a break

Let's say you have qjcc here.

What's your plans vs a 2.2k cbet on

Aj2
337
Q95
K86
Kk4
Qq5
A23

Boards?

Don't ReListicaly expect you to answer each board but just wondering how far the plan extends from trying to flop a pair and not get 'coolered'

[Dubai]

Come on, what do I have to gain by educating on each board? But just remember pot is 9k, we had 13.5k going to the flop. Hands ain't that hard to play

[Dubai]

I would say the world is in love with cold 4 betting Ax at moment- so would probably check fold A23 for sure.

[pleno1]

Come on, what do I have to gain by educating on each board? But just remember pot is 9k, we had 13.5k going to the flop. Hands ain't that hard to play

Well it's kinda the point of the board. Giving a reason why folding can be really bad because of initiative and position is goog to be a lot better than just. Lol at people saying folding is bad.

But upto you of course, till sonebody educates me il just keep nitting it up

[SuuPRlim]

Am i the only person folding pre?

Obviously not

Agree though that he's terrible if he's peeling oop vs this.

Really depends what he has doesn't it? Very few moves in poker are universally bad, speshly in a vacuum where there could be a whole host of legitimate, exploitative reasons to make a certain play. One of the things I see all the time, even from good players is watch someone do something that seems a little silly cos it doesn't work out, and then say "omg this guy i s terrible" mark him down as a whale and now if he's actually decent chances are your going to play sub-optimally vs him given your false read.

I can clearly see it's a fine spot to cold 4bet, can see that OTF we have strong/uncapped range and our oppo mostly has just mid-strength/weak range he is going to have to bluffcatch with but does anyone TRULY believe in a £1,000 live tournament this 4bet and 3 street barrel off is going to make money?

great work Daniel Morgan.

[Dubai]

I'm sure u can guess which boards I'd continue on.

Thing is the majority of posters on here, including nearly all of the well known ones, are somewhere between marginal losers and marginal winners- their stats are masked by false perception of results due to decent volume. By following the crowd as they all aspire to they basically cap their expected future rois at 30% or whatever. I will go as far as telling them that following the crowd might make them a winner but it will also just make them one of the robots that needs to play 6 nights a week and 12 tables to make an amount of money per year that we'd consider acceptable. Id suggest if they really want to be good, be the trend, don't follow it. Thinking uniquely and analysing stuff in a different way to others is the only way they will ever actually get in front of the game enough to be able to take some time of and enjoy life.

Obviously you're one of the only few people that try and think independently

[SuuPRlim]

Thinking uniquely and analysing stuff in a different way to others is the only way they will ever actually get in front of the game enough to be able to take some time of and enjoy life.

not playing tournaments is another way to do this

[tight4better]

Am i the only person folding pre?

Obviously not

Agree though that he's terrible if he's peeling oop vs this.

Really depends what he has doesn't it? Very few moves in poker are universally bad, speshly in a vacuum where there could be a whole host of legitimate, exploitative reasons to make a certain play. One of the things I see all the time, even from good players is watch someone do something that seems a little silly cos it doesn't work out, and then say "omg this guy i s terrible" mark him down as a whale and now if he's actually decent chances are your going to play sub-optimally vs him given your false read.

Agree, maybe my comment was a bit OOL. Especially the way I play  

I don't see him being ABLE to continue without TT/JJ maybeeee 99 here. And I don't see how he can be comfortable when we're repping a biggun pre and he's got probably the worst overpair. EDIT: Regarding the buy-in, I think doing this in for instance 150 deepstacks is NOT advisable. I think £1k events though surely people will play a little more standard :S

Also agree dave about the whole "reasons" for things but I REALLY don't see how this move is profitable vs Liam in this particular spot.

[AlexMartin]

Yep it's that terrible him flatting the 4 bet that no one has a clue what to do once he does lol.

Villains spr is 1:1.5

But someone once said flatting 4bets out of position is bad, so it must be lol. Give me a break

Its ok if he has a plan and his range isnt this standard Aj/AQ/KQ/88+. Most importantly he has to be extremely comfortable in really marginal situations, which i think you only really get with a lot of experience/analysis away from the tables.

[Oxford_HRV]

Cold 4 is a viable option, but not really the optimal play for me here early on in the tourney against what I believe must be a value 3b
I presume he can have any premium pair, I can't see him taking an oh so standard 5b/c with this stack this early. And may just be reading you as making a light 4b and want to see how you play post.
I presume you lead out?
my post flop plan here, snap check flop
diamond turn - 2.7k /fold
6 turn - pot bet
J+ b/f

[MANTIS01]

Hero says he's been opening a lot, peeling a lot & describes a triple-barrel where he forced villain to fold. If I'm at this table I would categorise hero as fairly active LAG player. In terms of the multiple oppos to get through Villain 1 is a very good player and knows how we play but we don't know how Villain 3 plays who is also a good player. And we have A-6 which wont flop good. Don't think this is the nut best spot to cold 4bet bluff 14% of our stack.

[rfgqqabc]

Hero says he's been opening a lot, peeling a lot & describes a triple-barrel where he forced villain to fold. If I'm at this table I would categorise hero as fairly active LAG player. In terms of the multiple oppos to get through Villain 1 is a very good player and knows how we play but we don't know how Villain 3 plays who is also a good player. And we have A-6 which wont flop good. Don't think this is the nut best spot to cold 4bet bluff 14% of our stack.

Whilst i completely agree with your thoughts, its hard to get a nut best spot, we just want a +cEv spot. Obviously due to balance issues this affects spot selection, and this one looks pretty good in terms of that, esp if not getting 5b bluffed.

I honestly have no clue post, time to do a few ev charts

[SuuPRlim]

I think we need to think a bit more outside the box than "he prolly has 99-JJ and we can bomb him off it" if this guy is good, which we suspect he might be then there is every chance he has a) QQ-AA, or b) something else "dubai-style" snap giving him 99-JJ and taking off is prolly not a good idea.

He obviously could well still have those hands, but we need to think broader about these spots if we are going to be cold 4-betting these spots pre-flop, imo.

[TL900]

I mentioned in OP that i put AA/KK in his range and not 99/TT.

Hero says he's been opening a lot, peeling a lot & describes a triple-barrel where he forced villain to fold. If I'm at this table I would categorise hero as fairly active LAG player. In terms of the multiple oppos to get through Villain 1 is a very good player and knows how we play but we don't know how Villain 3 plays who is also a good player. And we have A-6 which wont flop good. Don't think this is the nut best spot to cold 4bet bluff 14% of our stack.

Opening alot from late position, rarely from mid-early. i dont think my image was LAG at all tbh, apart from the fact I look young so naturally get that label.

[MANTIS01]

I mentioned in OP that i put AA/KK in his range and not 99/TT.

Hero says he's been opening a lot, peeling a lot & describes a triple-barrel where he forced villain to fold. If I'm at this table I would categorise hero as fairly active LAG player. In terms of the multiple oppos to get through Villain 1 is a very good player and knows how we play but we don't know how Villain 3 plays who is also a good player. And we have A-6 which wont flop good. Don't think this is the nut best spot to cold 4bet bluff 14% of our stack.

Opening alot from late position, rarely from mid-early. i dont think my image was LAG at all tbh, apart from the fact I look young so naturally get that label.

Yo the label players give you is ultimately more important than the label you give yourself. If I'm at the table and see a young gun "opening a lot" and "peeling a lot" and triple barrelling already at 150/300 I would think pretty laggy.