Play it again, against Sam

[sm00035]

I have only just seen this thread! Just a few quite about the hand/history.

First hand of the table he flatted an open from the same guy who raised this pot, i 3bet from the sb and he tried (imo) to get an angle to make my 3bet a flat pre as I took a little out of my sb, then the rest of it, before putting in the raise. (not sure what he wasn't happy with). He folded after a ruling was called and the 3bet stood.

I had raised this guys limp then 3bet folded a 568 board and he just piled for about 4x and showed AA.

I then raised his limp a few hands later, it went check/check on 8JQ, turn K he check called, river brick went check check and I mucked, his A8o was good.

This hand guy opened to 20k, he flatted, i made it 48k first guy folded he called. It came   , he checked to me i bet 28k he made it 100k i called. Turn   he bet 110k i made it 260 he called. River   he checked I but him in for his last 400k...

[Tal]

Tal the deranged lagtard mentalist that he is declares fold. If McDonald can't beat 88 here, we tap the table and wish him and his chips well.

We still have 400k left.

In the words of Tony G, he played it like a set.

We never have a flush here and a check-raise-lead looks huge on the bubble v the chip leader. How often are we really pure bluffing? If we have half a hand, we have demonstrated an ability to call.

If Sam is bluffing with he has to jam the end to win but he knows we can still call.

My guess is 77.

This - to answer a question I was posed the other day - is likely why I don't post on PHA much...

[Tal]

BTW this ^^^ is an answer to TightEnd's question hand, not sm's

[TightEnd]

I have only just seen this thread! Just a few quite things about the hand in play.

First hand of the table he flatted an open from the same guy who raised this pot, i 3bet from the sb and he tried (imo) to get an angle to make my 3bet a flat pre as I took a little out of my sb, then the rest of it, before putting in the raise. (not sure what he wasn't happy with). He folded after a ruling was called and the 3bet stood.

I had raised this guys limp then 3bet folded a 568 board and he just piled for about 4x and showed AA.

I then raised his limp a few hands later, it went check/check on 8JQ, turn K he check called, river brick went check check and I mucked, his A8o was good.

This hand guy opened to 20k, he flatted, i made it 48k first guy folded he called. It came  , he checked to me i bet 28k he made it 100k i called. Turn  he bet 110k i made it 260 he called. River  he checked I but him in for his last 400k...

cheers Sam

I got most of it right then!

don't spoil the reveal!

[Tal]

I'd say the paired flop makes our play look even stronger. River jam has to be put into the context that we have had a comedy dwell-call on the turn, so SM knows we aren't super strong.

However, he has had to call us to that point and I'm not convinced he's doing that will less than us very often.

Still folding.

Nit.

[JustinSayne]

I'd say the paired flop makes our play look even stronger more full of shit

FTFY

[Tal]

I'd say the paired flop makes our play look even stronger more full of shit

FTFY

Or that

[SuuPRlim]

sammy mac might be a certified lunatic but he's also pretty sharp for value bets he's just as capable as vbetting really good here as he is to be bluffing, given the description of the player id say the frequency of his VB to BLUFF is weighted heavily towards VBs

[youthnkzR]

sammy mac might be a certified lunatic but he's also pretty sharp for value bets he's just as capable as vbetting really good here as he is to be bluffing, given the description of the player id say the frequency of his VB to BLUFF is weighted heavily towards VBs

exactly

[Tal]

sammy mac might be a certified lunatic but he's also pretty sharp for value bets he's just as capable as vbetting really good here as he is to be bluffing, given the description of the player id say the frequency of his VB to BLUFF is weighted heavily towards VBs

That's an intelligent way of concurring, right?

[SuuPRlim]

sammy mac might be a certified lunatic but he's also pretty sharp for value bets he's just as capable as vbetting really good here as he is to be bluffing, given the description of the player id say the frequency of his VB to BLUFF is weighted heavily towards VBs

That's an intelligent way of concurring, right?

yes!

[mondatoo]

sammy mac might be a certified lunatic but he's also pretty sharp for value bets he's just as capable as vbetting really good here as he is to be bluffing, given the description of the player id say the frequency of his VB to BLUFF is weighted heavily towards VBs

I've had a few drinks, obv, but disagree with this for the simple reason that I expect Sammy Mac to be bluffing this river as played 100% of the time and he has more bluffs in his range than value hands.

[titaniumbean]

+1 to wat on earth just c/f flop


now we've got this far and tried to play every street opposite you should probably call. if he has dem QQ okies nh don't see what else he raises turn/jams river with.

sammy mac might be a certified lunatic but he's also pretty sharp for value bets he's just as capable as vbetting really good here as he is to be bluffing, given the description of the player id say the frequency of his VB to BLUFF is weighted heavily towards VBs

if peel peel c/r 44xfd is lots of mid pairs/fds, is sam raising turn with a bunch of Qx/AA type hands AND then jamming the fd river with them......

all very well saying good players will be wider for value than bluffs in bluffy spots but it's ridic joke hard to have a value hand on this texture and with this action. QQ or some kind of random 94 squeeze imo if we are beat.

[Whollyflush]

I think c/f the flop is best in general. Defo calling pre with odds in a spot where a CL will likely empty the clip regardless in such a bubble spot and we can keep calling down.

As played river is a pretty easy call. I'd reckon Sam is bluffing this type player a ridiculously high amount of the time in this spot.

[MANTIS01]

Sandhu is a player with a wide calling range in this hand. He is still hanging onto his 8-8 when everybody else folded like pre or on the flop. This Sam guy did a triple barrel on the same player just before and got called down with nothing. Sandhu has got top 5 stack. So don't see how this is a good spot to be bluffing. I would say value shove. I would also say Sandhu standing up and wincing on the turn before calling is fantastic.