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« on: September 11, 2012, 04:22:12 PM » |
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Cash game.
Stakes and stacks unimportant.
Utg raises from seat 10. Seat 1 folds. Before Seat 2 acts Seat 3 folds, Seat 4 calls and Seat 5 calls. Then the dealer realises that Seat 2 hasn't acted.
What actions are open to Seat 2?
All options open.
Can call only.
Hand dead.
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Mantis - I would like to thank 77dave for his more realistic take on things.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 04:28:34 PM » |
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Hand is dead unless it's in his local card room and he's a regular
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 04:29:20 PM » |
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If there's 2 actions in most places they'll kill the hand in question which imo is effing ridic. Surprised there's not more angles around this rule cos it's certainly exploitable
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 04:31:25 PM » |
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the ruling is the hand is dead with two actions after you've missed your action, certainly everywhere in the UK where this ruling has been sought in identical circumstances
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 05:10:09 PM » |
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Depends if everybody in the game is anal or are reasonable.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 06:00:24 PM » |
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Depends if everybody in the game is anal or are reasonable.
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77dave
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2012, 06:02:02 PM » |
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As it happens its seat 2 that called for the floor to make a ruling
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Mantis - I would like to thank 77dave for his more realistic take on things.
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Junior Senior
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2012, 06:17:16 PM » |
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Surely a club / game specific rule.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2012, 06:55:32 PM » |
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Because this very thing happened to me in Luton-G (& I was the "Seat 2") I know that their Rule USED to be that my hand is dead.
It was a while back, when I was at that age where I was prepared to argue about such trivialities, so I asked "upon what basis can an innocent party be penalised?".
The reply was that I must have had time to draw the Dealers attention to the domino effect behind me, & as I failed so to do, & thus gained an advantage, my hand was dead.
The date, in case you are interested, was August 9th, 2006. I recall it so vividly because Karma came to my rescue, & I chopped the Tourney.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2012, 07:01:02 PM » |
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I was always under the impression that it was 3 actions as opposed to 2.
But it's one of those where I think a little common sense has to be applied.
If the UTG player snaps out a day dream as the dealer is giving the big blind their option then yes, hand obviously dead.
And as a dealer if you see someone realise someone has acted after them and they don't call attention to it then hand dead.
Otherwise though if it's only a few actions (3, prob 4 at the most) and the impression is the whole thing was a bit of an accident then i'd be inclined to roll the action back and treat the other bets as out of turn.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2012, 07:46:28 PM » |
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People that are willing to roll back a couple of actions. Would it make a difference to your opinion of the hand if someone behind raised?
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2012, 07:48:02 PM » |
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People that are willing to roll back a couple of actions. Would it make a difference to your opinion of the hand if someone behind raised?
Nope. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2012, 10:23:33 PM » |
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I was always under the impression that it was 3 actions as opposed to 2.
But it's one of those where I think a little common sense has to be applied.
If the UTG player snaps out a day dream as the dealer is giving the big blind their option then yes, hand obviously dead.
And as a dealer if you see someone realise someone has acted after them and they don't call attention to it then hand dead.
Otherwise though if it's only a few actions (3, prob 4 at the most) and the impression is the whole thing was a bit of an accident then i'd be inclined to roll the action back and treat the other bets as out of turn.
3 passive actions (folding), 2 active (calling/ raising).. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2012, 10:44:44 PM » |
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Otherwise though if it's only a few actions (3, prob 4 at the most) and the impression is the whole thing was a bit of an accident then i'd be inclined to roll the action back and treat the other bets as out of turn. Opens the game up to a whole load more angle shooting. For example, you have a marginal hand UTG you can now simply cover your cards with your hands, hope UTG+1 doesn't notice, see how the action goes and then call it back when you know if it's going to be limped behind you. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2012, 12:50:04 AM » |
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If it just takes two actions to make the hand dead that could be very unfair.
It would just take one out of turn bet and a snap-fold behind.
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