Collusion on the 10k Sattelite.

[thetank]

as far as running down the clock is concerned, you havent got a leg to stand on, I have done it, and im sure most of us have... You are given a time allocation to act in, and whether you or anyone else on the table uses it every hand is up to them ....

You need to concentrate your complaints on the fact that people were declaring hands... no site will act on missuse of the time rule.

  Kev is talking sense here.



It seems every time I try to use this smiley my post goes at the top of page 2 instead of underneath the post I was referring to so I have to go back and put in a quote for it to make sense GGRRRRRRRRRRR

[The_nun]

Unfortunatly this does happen on a REGULAR  basis. they do not necessarily know each other but feel comradship to get the lowest stacked on their table,  through  to the final table,  then each to thier own. I agree with Kev , I really don't think any site can do Jack C  about it. If you watch some of these tournies you will soon discover how common it is.

[Div]

If people run the clock down and nothing is said, they can't really do anything.

But when people are saying in chat 'hey let's team up to get xx to the final table' or 'don't call me - I have a big hand', it's difficult to imagine a more blatant (and dafter) case of collusion.

As someone else said, the tourney should be hand for hand by then to stop cheats. Incidents like this make a good case for playing on sites with better software.....

[Thebat]

i agree that everyone is entitled to use their full time allocation but they shouldnt be asking others to do the same for their benefit and DEFINATLEY not declaring their hand mid game so that no one bets and they can all check it down (and taking 2 minutes to boot) while none of the other table are stooping so low. The site involved was williamhill and this practise (of time wasting could be solved with a hand -for-hand procedure around the bubble) but people should not be telling others their hands during play and encouraging others to do likewise for their own benefit. It needs sorting.

[londonpokergirl]

They should do what Pokerstars do and that when it gets down to the money situation, barr all chat from all the tables so that collusion doesn't happen and then play continues as normal

Try suggesting that to them.  Suggest to them also that their Underraise rule needs sorting out aswell!!!   

[The_nun]

I only commented on the playing the clock aspect of this. I can not say that I have seen both the clock & the declaring of hands , so i can not say that declaring  hands is common practice guring latter stages of a tourny. I feel  sure that the site in question can and put a stop to such antics by A. Like said previously , inrroducing the hand 4 hand rule and B, monitoring chat and if needs be , informing the table in question that they are being monitored.

[jezza777]

This is a disgrace please keep us informed.

[Nem]

Post the hand history on the Betfair forum... Name and shamed these losers.

[TightEnd]

Please post any response you get from the powers that be

concentrate any complaints on the declaring of hands and the offers to slow play deliberately in chat


if there was nothing in the chat box you would have no grounds but the chat box here is damning evidence

[Highstack]

The rules are the same for everyone so I guess that stakes don't matter and I sypathise with your frustrations - you have every right to complain. However, tbh I would guess that the players involved are unaware that they shouldn't be doing it and that it is against the rules. We have to remember that they have only paid 3 quid to enter and I am sure if they genuinely set out to cheat that they might have played significantly higher stakes.

[NoflopsHomer]

Hi Chris,

Thank you for your e-mail.

The players you have reported are now under investigation by our Poker manager, and the appropriate action will be taken should they be found to be colluding. William Hill have various methods of monitoring play at tables, from software to live person. The poker room is monitored and supported on a 24/7 basis. In the event that we are alerted of a player practicing unfair game play at the tables, their account will be suspended pending clarification of their game activity. In the interest of fair game play, should the card room manager believe that players are playing in collusion, the players in question will have their accounts suspended immediately and permanently.

However, as the Cryptologic software we use is a shared software, not all players using it are William Hill clients. Details of all the players supected of colluding, be they clients of ours or not, have, though, been passed on to Cryptologic for investigation.

With regards

Dominic

William Hill
Internet Customer Services

[Robert HM]

Sounds promising

[Thebat]

I am pleased that you have recieved a reply Homer but I have not recieved any acknowledgement....as yet. Obviously you know people higher up the williamhill ladder! Lets hope they have a good look at the chat box on the table involved.

[Thebat]

Just recieved this...


 Discussion Thread
 Response (Georgios) 18/01/2006 06:32 AM
Hi Steven,

Thank you for your e-mail.

The players you have reported are now under investigation by our Poker manager, and the appropriate action will be taken should they be found to be colluding. William Hill have various methods of monitoring play at tables, from software to live person. The poker room is monitored and supported on a 24/7 basis. In the event that we are alerted of a player practicing unfair game play at the tables, their account will be suspended pending clarification of their game activity. In the interest of fair game play, should the card room manager believe that players are playing in collusion, the players in question will have their accounts suspended immediately and permanently.

However as you are aware the software is shared by other online companies. Full details of all players involved be they William Hill clients or not have now been passed to Cryptologig who will investigate the matter fully.

With regards,

Yorgos

William Hill
Internet Customer Services

Much the same as homers' but at least its a start.
 

[Splash]

Try suggesting that to them.  Suggest to them also that their Underraise rule needs sorting out aswell!!!   

I thought this had been sorted?