April Jones

[The Camel]

Meh.

I played on the streets and in the park unsupervised from the age of 5 or 6.

I certainly wasn't neglected by my parents! (If anything I was over protected)

My boy can and does play outside with his friends.

Giving kids freedom letting them reach their boundaries is part of them growing up imo.

You let him play in the darkness at 5 alone?

I really think your view is wrong here, the actual chance of something happening to a child playing in the street v the number of children playing in the street is so so small, that it probably isn't worth worrying about.

Probably higher odds of a child being killed in other ways, other than being swiped of a street.

I would be far more worried that Jake would be hit by a car than snatched by a stranger.

Think the crux is this question :

Keith would YOU  let your 5 old son outside unsupeRvised in the pitch black?

Define unsupervised.

I mean, I wouldn't let him go somewhere he didn't know and I would check on him periodically.

But i would be happy not watching him every moment.

And I don't think 7pm in the first week of October is "pitch black"

[celtic]

Meh.

I played on the streets and in the park unsupervised from the age of 5 or 6.

I certainly wasn't neglected by my parents! (If anything I was over protected)

My boy can and does play outside with his friends.

Giving kids freedom letting them reach their boundaries is part of them growing up imo.

You let him play in the darkness at 5 alone?

I really think your view is wrong here, the actual chance of something happening to a child playing in the street v the number of children playing in the street is so so small, that it probably isn't worth worrying about.

Probably higher odds of a child being killed in other ways, other than being swiped of a street.

I would be far more worried that Jake would be hit by a car than snatched by a stranger.

Think the crux is this question :

Keith would YOU  let your 5 old son outside unsupeRvised in the pitch black?

Define unsupervised.

I mean, I wouldn't let him go somewhere he didn't know and I would check on him periodically.

But i would be happy not watching him every moment.

And I don't think 7pm in the first week of October is "pitch black"

it is in London, Dean hasn't taken into acct it's prob lighter in Wales, or that it could have been a well light area they were playing in. Everything is pitch black & white to him

[The Camel]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

This.

Crimes like this are far far more likely to committed by someone the child knows.

A stranger snatching a child off the street is many times less likely.

Dean, did/do you let your children go and play at friends houses?

The sad fact is a child is far more at risk in this "safe" environment than in the situations where April Jones and Maddie McCann were taken.

[celtic]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

This.

Crimes like this are far far more likely to committed by someone the child knows.

A stranger snatching a child off the street is many times less likely.

Dean, did/do you let your children go and play at friends houses?

The sad fact is a child is far more at risk in this "safe" environment than in the situations where April Jones and Maddie McCann were taken.

Camel quotes my post, and posts 'this'

Life is good.

[the sicilian]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

[celtic]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for lunch this week if you carry on like this.

[the sicilian]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

This.

Crimes like this are far far more likely to committed by someone the child knows.

A stranger snatching a child off the street is many times less likely.

Dean, did/do you let your children go and play at friends houses?

The sad fact is a child is far more at risk in this "safe" environment than in the situations where April Jones and Maddie McCann were taken.

You're right Keith the dangers of this type of abuse are often closer to home the real point I'm making is I don't think a child that young should be out that late without an adult..I think that's more common sense than fearful of every million to one chance...tbh I was in bed way before that when I was 5 and so were my two kids, it's embedded in my psyche actually ..tucked up in bed watched rhubarb and custard.. On about 5.45 i think lights off kip time...ahhh to be young.

[AceHighSuited]

So you let a 5 year old roam the streets at night without the supervision of an adult?  

I don't know were the camel lives but were I am it was pitch black at 6:30 last week.

I'm also hearing reports this evening that within a 5 mile radius of my house there have been 3 reported abductions of kids.  Ages unconfirmed but the police are apparently aware of the situation, so not as uncommon as some in this thread would have us believe.  

[the sicilian]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for let u buy me lunch this week if you carry on like this.

FYP

[the sicilian]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for lunch this week if you carry on like this.

Dunno what's so ridic about 5 year olds being supervised in the dark..and according to the meteorological society sunset last Monday in that area was 18.49...

[celtic]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for lunch this week if you carry on like this.

Dunno what's so ridic about 5 year olds being supervised in the dark..and according to the meteorological society sunset last Monday in that area was 18.49...

does that mean it was dark?

[The Camel]

So you let a 5 year old roam the streets at night without the supervision of an adult?  

I don't know were the camel lives but were I am it was pitch black at 6:30 last week.

I'm also hearing reports this evening that within a 5 mile radius of my house there have been 3 reported abductions of kids.  Ages unconfirmed but the police are apparently aware of the situation, so not as uncommon as some in this thread would have us believe.  

He wouldn't be "roaming the streets".

He would be playing in area he knows well and with kids he knows.

And a great big WTF to the bolded bit.

[the sicilian]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for lunch this week if you carry on like this.

Dunno what's so ridic about 5 year olds being supervised in the dark..and according to the meteorological society sunset last Monday in that area was 18.49...

does that mean it was dark?

Pretty much ... No sun usually = pretty dark

[AndrewT]

ffs, she wasn't out unspervised, like you're making out. She was playing with friends. Reports I have read tonight, say that her friends told her not to go in the car, she said it's ok, she knows him. The guy arrested is well known in the area. And has two children living on the same estate. Which kinda kills you're argument Deano.

Lol now other kids get to look after the kid...? Supervised means by an adult not another 5  year old...

So ur 5 and another kid tells you not to do something so you obey... If an adults there the snatch isn't attempted and the kid might do as it's told....

However the other question which is quite likely is was this planned and a opportunity being waited on...? This obv would mean it was just a matter of time.... Although the dude has five or six kids? Two at the same school?  Isn't it unusual for this type to be a paedo..is their history of him interfering with his own? Which would be logical..obv way more to this than reported..but my general point is a 5 year old should not be allowed out without an adult that time of night

Huge sigh at this post. What you are saying about an adult should be there is just ridiculous.

Doubt I'm gonna meet you for lunch this week if you carry on like this.

Vinny turning down food?

Shit just got real.

[bobAlike]

Meh.

I played on the streets and in the park unsupervised from the age of 5 or 6.

I certainly wasn't neglected by my parents! (If anything I was over protected)

My boy can and does play outside with his friends.

Giving kids freedom letting them reach their boundaries is part of them growing up imo.

It's a gamble which you're willing to take and that's your prerogative. How ever slight the odds shit can happen and me personally I wouldn't gamble like that with my kids.

If you think that's a gamble, how do you let your kids go to school?

A lot more chance of being "interfered with" by a paedo at school than being snatched off the street imo.

The reason these stories get such huge publicity is they are so rare.

But the media saturation and scare stories make people think they are much more common than they actually are.

Children are loads more likely to be abused, harmed or murdered by family members than strangers.

My kids walk to school now, my son is 12 and my daughter 16. Did I let them walk to school when they were 5 of course I fucking didn't. Did I let them play 200yds from my house at 5 years old at 19:00 in October of course I fucking didn't. Why not? Because I want my kids to be safe. Would I have let them out at 5 years old with other children night or day? Of course I fucking wouldn't. Why not? Because I want my children to be safe.

I am not an over protective parent, I'm just there for them when they need it most.

If a responsible adult was watching over those children April would not have been taken. I agree it's a very rare occurrence but it still happens. A parent has responsibilities in insuring harm doesn't come to their children, it shouldn't be left to other children.

Yes and most of these types of crime are carried out by people known to them but if a responsible adult was there it wouldn't have happened.

There are risks everyday which we have to take, like crossing the road, riding a bike, climbing trees and these are acceptable because we try to teach our kids the best way to handle these situations. I taught both my kids to ride their bikes I didn't just leave them to it, I guided them supported them, held them, until they could stay upright on their own. With my guidance they did it safely.

I didn't want to get involved in this argument but felt compelled too. As I said earlier my wife has worked with children for the last 10 years a specialist counsellor. These stories are not as uncommon as you would like to think. She doesn't tell me the half it because of confidentiality but she needs support after the most horrendous cases.

Enough from me now. Each to their own.