Ranges and Why

[ForthThistle]

Guy's.

Live Poker and would appreciate inputs on ranges.
There are 15 left with 12 getting paid.
Blinds are 4K and 8K with a 800 ante
I am UTG with 74K
Recently just moved to the table.

Whats our shoving range here?

[Oxford_HRV]

well it's live so I can presume avg stack being 20bb>
with 9bb I will be playing an approx range UTG of 88+ AK AQ... MAYBE AJ
of course there is huge dead money in pot and some will feel happier with lighter ranges.
with most live comps structure become so tight near bubble and FT there is no room for error
happy grinding away to 4 bigs and a dream before I'm getting it in,
2 callers plus dead money you'll be back to over what you have now

[BorntoBubble]

my range tends to probably be a little wide in the spot. Will depend on what the stacks are in LP and the blinds and whether i think many people will call me off. Im shoving most pairs here and most A's probably K10+ here also mabye QJs+.. Lets say theres 7 of you on the table thats not many people to get through and you are going to scoop 17k in blinds and antes which will take you up to 90k. a lot more comfortable.

[ForthThistle]

well it's live so I can presume avg stack being 20bb>
with 9bb I will be playing an approx range UTG of 88+ AK AQ... MAYBE AJ
of course there is huge dead money in pot and some will feel happier with lighter ranges.
with most live comps structure become so tight near bubble and FT there is no room for error
happy grinding away to 4 bigs and a dream before I'm getting it in,
2 callers plus dead money you'll be back to over what you have now

Seriously grind to 4bb. 

[jgcblack]

55+, AQo+, KQss+ probably for me.

Reasons are:
- we expect to get called by pairs, Ax, big sooted broadways
- we have to get through 8/9 people, even with tight ranges I can't remember the exact number but its something like we're called 30-35% if they only call with 8%  (saw in a nlhe maths vid)
- its more profitable to shove atc bvb/ btn vs blinds than a 5% range utg. (I believe)
- its one of the biggest mistakes/ leaks of all players shorthanded as I understand it.

[Oxford_HRV]

well it's live so I can presume avg stack being 20bb>
with 9bb I will be playing an approx range UTG of 88+ AK AQ... MAYBE AJ
of course there is huge dead money in pot and some will feel happier with lighter ranges.
with most live comps structure become so tight near bubble and FT there is no room for error
happy grinding away to 4 bigs and a dream before I'm getting it in,
2 callers plus dead money you'll be back to over what you have now

Seriously grind to 4bb. 

seriously.

[BorntoBubble]

55+, AQo+, KQss+ probably for me.

Reasons are:
- we expect to get called by pairs, Ax, big sooted broadways
- we have to get through 8/9 people, even with tight ranges I can't remember the exact number but its something like we're called 30-35% if they only call with 8%  (saw in a nlhe maths vid)
- its more profitable to shove atc bvb/ btn vs blinds than a 5% range utg. (I believe)
- its one of the biggest mistakes/ leaks of all players shorthanded as I understand it.

only 15 players left so max 8 players but i would imagine 7 as he had just moved to the table! Your range seems ok to me though

[buffyslayer1]

55+, AQo+, KQss+ probably for me.

Reasons are:
- we expect to get called by pairs, Ax, big sooted broadways
- we have to get through 8/9 people, even with tight ranges I can't remember the exact number but its something like we're called 30-35% if they only call with 8%  (saw in a nlhe maths vid)
- its more profitable to shove atc bvb/ btn vs blinds than a 5% range utg. (I believe)
- its one of the biggest mistakes/ leaks of all players shorthanded as I understand it.

yeah its 0.92 (1-0.08) to the power of 8 to find how much they fold in total behind so 0.92*.92*.92 etc etc 8 times or however many people to act

so they fold 51% of the time and therefore call 49% of the time

8% of hands is something like 66+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs which seems pretty reasonable

[jgcblack]

Yeah, this part of my game was a massive leak until this year.

When I asked and listened to everything TL900 has to say on the subject.

Also fitzy is sick with <30bb ranges.


But yeah those ranges look 'unexploitable' to me.  Only adjust when we have very very VERY specific reads.

[Rod]

55+, AQo+, KQss+ probably for me.

Reasons are:
- we expect to get called by pairs, Ax, big sooted broadways
- we have to get through 8/9 people, even with tight ranges I can't remember the exact number but its something like we're called 30-35% if they only call with 8%  (saw in a nlhe maths vid)
- its more profitable to shove atc bvb/ btn vs blinds than a 5% range utg. (I believe)
- its one of the biggest mistakes/ leaks of all players shorthanded as I understand it.

I believe this tournament is an APAT which makes a difference, they play really nitty, even at this late stage. That calling range is much too wide (it is what it should be, but not what it is), people don't make those calls in this tournament. I would say the calling ranges of most of the table would be 88+ and AJ+.

Average stack at this point was about 18BB wasn't it?

This makes a huge difference to the shoving range. I would assume, although I am also interested in the outcome of this thread as I don't know the answer.

[jgcblack]

Possibly true Rod, however some players may call wider.

Think that range is close to unexploitable, let them make the mistake IMHO

[LonOhRay]

Eh wrong thread, i'll edit this later seeing as I posted

[atdc21]

Hi John
- its more profitable to shove atc bvb/ btn vs blinds than a 5% range utg. (I believe)
thanks for that john, this is something i prob dont do enough, and strange thing although i play quite tight my utg shoving range always seems too wide whenever i post a question re a hand i played lol

[Honeybadger]

- its more profitable to shove atc bvb/ btn vs blinds than a 5% range utg. (I believe)

This cannot possibly be true.

[MC]

- its more profitable to shove atc bvb/ btn vs blinds than a 5% range utg. (I believe)

This cannot possibly be true.

Makes a good story though