Confidence at an all time low so playing badly and clueless.

[pleno1]

what do you mean he is winning live? it doesnt make sense.

he will never play a sufficient sample size live to show he is a winning player or not. its just variance when you play 12 tournaments a year, even 50 tournaments, its absolutely nothing. Moorman can play 250 tournaments and not be upset if he doesnt do so well, this is 5 years live time ffs, even 1k tournaments is nothing, this is 20 years worth of a torunament a week.

Its really not even close ffs.

It wont double his losses, he wont play 500 pound tournaments online, he will play micros and micro cash and learn to play proper 2012 poker.

Playing live tournaments when you're on a big downswing and low in confidence makes zero sense.

start playing online > stop all toghter > play just live.

You really have not read through all of this have you? He has mentioned he does not want to play online, because he is losing. You do not suddenly become a winning player, because you said so. Also, playing online is totally different game, you might win online, but it doesn't make you confidence amazing in all honesty. You are too much of an online player with less live experience to realise that online is just for not for certain people.

I have said that he is a winning player, he is just having a bad time of it at the moment.

please.

1) ive played as a professional live poker player
2) ive played more live poker than you

please done tell me what i know and what i dont know. I'm very qualified to answer here and what I'm saying is right, treat it as gospel, please.

Just because you dont win instantly online doesn't mean you wont learn and start to win. If you are in a position where you considr yourself a professional poker player you can make 3-4k online relatively easy.

You cannot say Jason is a winning player, he cannot say he is, you cannot say hes a losing player, nor can he. He has played an incredibly small sample size of tournaments lifetime and is in a position where he describes himself as a professional player.

He has posted the thread thus has the right intentions here but needs to put his sensible hat on and realize that he needs ti put some effort into the game.

Ofc he doesnt want to play online lol, he would much prefer chatting up the DTD valets, but doing what you want to do and what you have to do are 2 very very different things. There are less than 0.01% of professional players in the world playing solely live tournaments. Less than 1% of those are playing small-medium buy ins.

He needs to improve his poker, he knows this, he may be streetwise and have decent instintcs and semi good fundamentals, but with the tiny amount of lifetime hands played and the (what I can assume) very small amount of time put into studying his (like most strictly live players - not all before honeybadger gets on my case)  basic fundamentals will be seriously flawed.

Playing 3 months online and seeing how far he progresses and develops will not only tell him if he wants to be a professional poker player but if he can be a professional poker player.

Its time to man up Jason and treat this seriously, its life ffs!

[aaron1867]

what do you mean he is winning live? it doesnt make sense.

he will never play a sufficient sample size live to show he is a winning player or not. its just variance when you play 12 tournaments a year, even 50 tournaments, its absolutely nothing. Moorman can play 250 tournaments and not be upset if he doesnt do so well, this is 5 years live time ffs, even 1k tournaments is nothing, this is 20 years worth of a torunament a week.

Its really not even close ffs.

It wont double his losses, he wont play 500 pound tournaments online, he will play micros and micro cash and learn to play proper 2012 poker.

Playing live tournaments when you're on a big downswing and low in confidence makes zero sense.

start playing online > stop all toghter > play just live.

You really have not read through all of this have you? He has mentioned he does not want to play online, because he is losing. You do not suddenly become a winning player, because you said so. Also, playing online is totally different game, you might win online, but it doesn't make you confidence amazing in all honesty. You are too much of an online player with less live experience to realise that online is just for not for certain people.

I have said that he is a winning player, he is just having a bad time of it at the moment.

please.

1) ive played as a professional live poker player
2) ive played more live poker than you

please done tell me what i know and what i dont know. I'm very qualified to answer here and what I'm saying is right, treat it as gospel, please.

Just because you dont win instantly online doesn't mean you wont learn and start to win. If you are in a position where you considr yourself a professional poker player you can make 3-4k online relatively easy.

You cannot say Jason is a winning player, he cannot say he is, you cannot say hes a losing player, nor can he. He has played an incredibly small sample size of tournaments lifetime and is in a position where he describes himself as a professional player.

He has posted the thread thus has the right intentions here but needs to put his sensible hat on and realize that he needs ti put some effort into the game.

Ofc he doesnt want to play online lol, he would much prefer chatting up the DTD valets, but doing what you want to do and what you have to do are 2 very very different things. There are less than 0.01% of professional players in the world playing solely live tournaments. Less than 1% of those are playing small-medium buy ins.

He needs to improve his poker, he knows this, he may be streetwise and have decent instintcs and semi good fundamentals, but with the tiny amount of lifetime hands played and the (what I can assume) very small amount of time put into studying his (like most strictly live players - not all before honeybadger gets on my case)  basic fundamentals will be seriously flawed.

Playing 3 months online and seeing how far he progresses and develops will not only tell him if he wants to be a professional poker player but if he can be a professional poker player.

Its time to man up Jason and treat this seriously, its life ffs!

What a load of nonsense.

You can't be a pro poker player with a Hendon Mob like this - http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=207359 - Unless you are about to say you just play cash of course.

You are too much in online world, to realise people do not want to play online because they don't make money or because it's just for them and Jason ticks one or both boxes. I am also not treating anything you say as gospel as it is not, you don't suddenly get your confidence back because you win a 3-4 figure online.

You mention Jason needs to put effort into game, maybe, we all need to. But you are saying if he has just been playing a year, he has been playing more than me and you have been on earth probably. Here is his hendon mob, I am sure it will sure he is a winning player, which you would realise if you read topic! http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=134376 - It was nearly as impressive as Camel's HB, which I only saw other day

[tikay]

Jason had a big bink in Marrakech?

Why has he never mentioned that?

Incred.

[tight4better]

Anyone else feeling self-conscious about just playing live?

 

[SuuPRlim]

You can't be a pro poker player with a Hendon Mob like this - http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=207359 - Unless you are about to say you just play cash of course.

Aaron you've made some reasonable point in your discussion with Pleno but you're completely wrong here -

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=106966
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=208198

Could you be a pro poker player with a HM like these guys? I'll tell you now these are two of the best and most successful players in england.

Hendon Mob and poker abilty are completely uncorrelated. Gives an indication yes, but no direct connection.

[pleno1]

i give up aaron.

nvm, gl jase.

[aaron1867]

You can't be a pro poker player with a Hendon Mob like this - http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=207359 - Unless you are about to say you just play cash of course.

Aaron you've made some reasonable point in your discussion with Pleno but you're completely wrong here -

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=106966
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=208198

Could you be a pro poker player with a HM like these guys? I'll tell you now these are two of the best and most successful players in england.

Hendon Mob and poker abilty are completely uncorrelated. Gives an indication yes, but no direct connection.

I can appreciate that, they do not show all cashes, but very hard to understand why someone can say they are a pro and their comments should be seen as "gospel" when they have no reasonable Hendon Mob.

I still believe that some people are caught up in online world, to realise that some us really don't like it. Or the comments "you can't lose online" when you see hundreds of people with 6 figure profits, shows there are severe losers. The only disappointing thing is that some people are making assumptions (myself included) and not reading the whole of the topic.

[SuuPRlim]

Jason, what motivates you to play poker? Money? you enjoy playing? You feel like you NEED to play to pay for things? Degenerate reasons?

More important imo to re-asses why it is you play poker and build from that at this point, Pleno is right if you're relaying on poker for an income then you do seriously need to reevaluate your approach, Aaron is right that if you play because you like to play live poker and you feel like you'll make a few quid then you don't really need to dig all that deep here.

Agree with TK you're one of the nicest guys around, and always the type of person to help someone out when they are down in the dumps so I wanna offer advice that will actually help and not just say "keep going at it" because honestly imo keeping going at it as you are will lead you to more troubles. The realistic point of the matter is, if you need to make money from poker you have a LOT of work to do from this point, just need to answer the question of exactly what you want from the game at this moment and then i know people will give you guidance to get help get there. But Pleno is right this is a time for realism.

will be funking hard for you though x

[pleno1]

You can't be a pro poker player with a Hendon Mob like this - http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=207359 - Unless you are about to say you just play cash of course.

Aaron you've made some reasonable point in your discussion with Pleno but you're completely wrong here -

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=106966
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=208198

Could you be a pro poker player with a HM like these guys? I'll tell you now these are two of the best and most successful players in england.

Hendon Mob and poker abilty are completely uncorrelated. Gives an indication yes, but no direct connection.

I can appreciate that, they do not show all cashes, but very hard to understand why someone can say they are a pro and their comments should be seen as "gospel" when they have no reasonable Hendon Mob.

please please think about this. or come back in 2 years and realise what you're saying. its completely wrong.

if somebody plays cash for a living and doesn't play one tournament then it really doesn't matter!

ofc if youre playing for fun then go to dtd and chat up the birds, but youre not you are a professional poker player whose aim is to MAKE MONEY.

[SuuPRlim]

I can appreciate that, they do not show all cashes, but very hard to understand why someone can say they are a pro and their comments should be seen as "gospel" when they have no reasonable Hendon Mob.

Well, it's not about showing all the cashes, it's about being able to build a big bankroll, and be able to make steady money from poker without needing to win a big live tournament. I would actually argue the other foot some more, I know loads of people who are pro players, and effectively live of one huge tournament score. The way you build a big bankroll is lots of regular small wins, not by shipping one huge donkament, imo.

I still believe that some people are caught up in online world, to realise that some us really don't like it. Or the comments "you can't lose online" when you see hundreds of people with 6 figure profits, shows there are severe losers. The only disappointing thing is that some people are making assumptions (myself included) and not reading the whole of the topic.

You're right, it's NOT as easy as Pleno makes out to win big online, and like you say it really just isn't for some people, however the point at the bottom of Pleno's argument is that anyone who would consider themselves a pro player should (and could) find a level online they can beat - might not be straight away and will require some decent amount of work, and that instead of traveling around expensively playing live poker if they are a little under it or under pressure to earn then THE BEST option for them is to find those games online, and really work playing them. Expenses are minimal, opportunity for high volume is there, and tbf he is absolutely right.

This won't suit everyone but as has been said if the question is "how to i rebuild confidence and improve my poker game" then a very good answer to that question would be, to really go at low stakes online tournaments, you're game is v likely to improve and you're prolly gonna make some money.

Problem is imo Jase is a little disillusioned with poker atm, so diving headfirst into a different type of play might not be for the best atm, if he was truly determined to conquer poker then I think Pleno's adivce would be the best line.

[Pinchop73]

Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[cambridgealex]

Stato said the other day that out of the top 20 alltime money winners at DTD according to theHM, he reckons only 5 or 6 could beat 50NL online. These are people who have cashed for over $100k lifetime in one club but couldn't beat a 25c/50c cash game. And I'd agree with that, and it just shows how ridiculous it is to go by the hendonmob as any sort of ranking system for who's good and who's not.

And this is coming from me who only really has the hendon mob as any legit backup that I'm a pro lol - I could very easily fall into the category in most people's eyes of one of the people that luckboxed a big comp and has not built a bankroll from scratch the hard way.

[titaniumbean]

Wait, so Aaron isn't on a massive level?


how is he real?

[pleno1]

Stato said the other day that out of the top 20 alltime money winners at DTD according to theHM, he reckons only 5 or 6 could beat 50NL online. These are people who have cashed for over $100k lifetime in one club but couldn't beat a 25c/50c cash game. And I'd agree with that, and it just shows how ridiculous it is to go by the hendonmob as any sort of ranking system for who's good and who's not.

And this is coming from me who only really has the hendon mob as any legit backup that I'm a pro lol - I could very easily fall into the category in most people's eyes of one of the people that luckboxed a big comp and has not built a bankroll from scratch the hard way.

its not true though because you really work on your game and you are legit good.

i'd say the binks helped you have the security and freedom to learn the game without financial constraints.

[kinboshi]

Stato said the other day that out of the top 20 alltime money winners at DTD according to theHM, he reckons only 5 or 6 could beat 50NL online. These are people who have cashed for over $100k lifetime in one club but couldn't beat a 25c/50c cash game. And I'd agree with that, and it just shows how ridiculous it is to go by the hendonmob as any sort of ranking system for who's good and who's not.

And this is coming from me who only really has the hendon mob as any legit backup that I'm a pro lol - I could very easily fall into the category in most people's eyes of one of the people that luckboxed a big comp and has not built a bankroll from scratch the hard way.

You won a comp at DTD?