When do we shove our Premium Hands?

[AceOnTheRiver]

Playing an online $10 tourney with around 50 left of 100 and I'm dealt  in mid position with a 13bb stack (8k at 300/600) and I really didn't know whether I should be just shipping this straight in or make a standard raise with the intent to call any shove and / or shove any flop when called pre with the possible exception of really horrible flops e.g.  where I may let go.

Being results orientated in this case I went for option B and the SB flopped a set of 8 on  flop which I shoved into- if I had shoved pre would he have folded? (his stack was slightly smaller than mine). If I shove am i either only picking up the B&A or only getting called by JJ+ or AK?

What would we do with  in this scenario?
What would we do with 44 through 99?

[youthnkzR]

Playing an online $10 tourney with around 50 left of 100 and I'm dealt  in mid position with a 13bb stack (8k at 300/600) and I really didn't know whether I should be just shipping this straight in or make a standard raise with the intent to call any shove and / or shove any flop when called pre with the possible exception of really horrible flops e.g.  where I may let go.

Being results orientated in this case I went for option B and the SB flopped a set of 8 on  flop which I shoved into- if I had shoved pre would he have folded? (his stack was slightly smaller than mine). If I shove am i either only picking up the B&A or only getting called by JJ+ or AK?

What would we do with  in this scenario?
What would we do with 44 through 99?

shoving is fine

[MC]

Were there antes?

[Longy]

Assuming no antes I standard open and obviously get it in post on the vast majority of boards. I am probably shoving less than 12bbs though.

With antes I would shove as part of a general strategy.

[AceOnTheRiver]

There were Antes; Shoving ftw then!!

[MC]

Assuming no antes I standard open and obviously get it in post on the vast majority of boards. I am probably shoving less than 12bbs though.

With antes I would shove as part of a general strategy.

+1

[cambridgealex]

Assuming no antes I standard open and obviously get it in post on the vast majority of boards. I am probably shoving less than 12bbs though.

With antes I would shove as part of a general strategy.

+1

[AceOnTheRiver]

Given that we shove (assuming antes are in play) in this scenario, at what point does our move change from shoving, to a standard raise? 15BB? 18BB?

[Longy]

Depends on how big the antes are.

I do quick calculations based on the size of the pot and convert it back to an adjusted big blind when there are antes in play. Simply divide the pot by 3 to get the small blind and therefore multiply by 2 to get the adjusted bb.

Then I go back to my base rule of more than 12 bigs, standard open. Less than 12 bigs shove.

Of course on occasions I do something slightly different. Like opening aces on a table who don't know my game and I haven't been consistently shoving recently.

[jackinbeat]

Depends on how big the antes are.

I do quick calculations based on the size of the pot and convert it back to an adjusted big blind when there are antes in play. Simply divide the pot by 3 to get the small blind and therefore multiply by 2 to get the adjusted bb.

Then I go back to my base rule of more than 12 bigs, standard open. Less than 12 bigs shove.

Of course on occasions I do something slightly different. Like opening aces on a table who don't know my game and I haven't been consistently shoving recently.

M

[MC]

Depends on how big the antes are.

I do quick calculations based on the size of the pot and convert it back to an adjusted big blind when there are antes in play. Simply divide the pot by 3 to get the small blind and therefore multiply by 2 to get the adjusted bb.

Then I go back to my base rule of more than 12 bigs, standard open. Less than 12 bigs shove.

Of course on occasions I do something slightly different. Like opening aces on a table who don't know my game and I haven't been consistently shoving recently.

M

[  ] M

[jackinbeat]

Depends on how big the antes are.

I do quick calculations based on the size of the pot and convert it back to an adjusted big blind when there are antes in play. Simply divide the pot by 3 to get the small blind and therefore multiply by 2 to get the adjusted bb.

Then I go back to my base rule of more than 12 bigs, standard open. Less than 12 bigs shove.

Of course on occasions I do something slightly different. Like opening aces on a table who don't know my game and I haven't been consistently shoving recently.

M

[  ] M

Why wouldn't you use M here, if you're M is 6 or under you shove, or have I missed something?

[MC]

Depends on how big the antes are.

I do quick calculations based on the size of the pot and convert it back to an adjusted big blind when there are antes in play. Simply divide the pot by 3 to get the small blind and therefore multiply by 2 to get the adjusted bb.

Then I go back to my base rule of more than 12 bigs, standard open. Less than 12 bigs shove.

Of course on occasions I do something slightly different. Like opening aces on a table who don't know my game and I haven't been consistently shoving recently.

M

[  ] M

Why wouldn't you use M here, if you're M is 6 or under you shove, or have I missed something?

When you write one letter as a response, you should perhaps expect some misinterpretation.

I thought you were trying to say Longy was long windedly describing 'M', when he of course isn't.

You can use M if you want but adjusted big blinds is way easier to work out on the fly.

And it's your btw.

[jackinbeat]

Damn, I must have been tired, you're very kind for pointing that out, no more one letter replies either. Must be tired as longy's method has me confused, if it's easier to work out than M, I need to know it.

[JK]

Probably opening AA/KK as standard here, shoving the rest. Fwiw, I'd probably open aces to about 8bbs, maybe even 7. People at these levels aren't awake enough to notice how exploitable your play is