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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2012, 08:58:23 PM »

Poor poor kids, makes me so sad. Little ones Sad
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2012, 10:16:04 PM »

Do people think gun control would help? Or make things much harder for police by driving the gun trade underground?
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2012, 10:18:29 PM »

Do people think gun control would help? Or make things much harder for police by driving the gun trade underground?

I think its probably too far gone over there to retrieve now.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2012, 10:44:56 PM »

Do people think gun control would help? Or make things much harder for police by driving the gun trade underground?

Absolutely would help, how could it not?

People who actively want to use guns for crime could still get them sure, but people who lose their heads for 2 minutes and pull their gun out and regret it for the rest of their lives, wouldn't have a gun to pull out.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2012, 10:47:00 PM »

Do people think gun control would help? Or make things much harder for police by driving the gun trade underground?

Absolutely would help, how could it not?

People who actively want to use guns for crime could still get them sure, but people who lose their heads for 2 minutes and pull their gun out and regret it for the rest of their lives, wouldn't have a gun to pull out.


The country is awash with guns mate, I really don't think it would make much of a difference.
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2012, 10:58:23 PM »

Do people think gun control would help? Or make things much harder for police by driving the gun trade underground?

Absolutely would help, how could it not?

People who actively want to use guns for crime could still get them sure, but people who lose their heads for 2 minutes and pull their gun out and regret it for the rest of their lives, wouldn't have a gun to pull out.


The country is awash with guns mate, I really don't think it would make much of a difference.

I understand this.

But "law abiding" people would not have a gun.

Might not make a massive difference, but impossible it could do anything but cut the amount deaths.

Treyvon Martin would still be alive for example.
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2012, 11:11:23 PM »

Do people think gun control would help? Or make things much harder for police by driving the gun trade underground?

Absolutely would help, how could it not?

People who actively want to use guns for crime could still get them sure, but people who lose their heads for 2 minutes and pull their gun out and regret it for the rest of their lives, wouldn't have a gun to pull out.


The country is awash with guns mate, I really don't think it would make much of a difference.

I understand this.

But "law abiding" people would not have a gun.

Might not make a massive difference, but impossible it could do anything but cut the amount deaths.

Treyvon Martin would still be alive for example.

What you've got to remember is their society really is strongly divided on this issue. The anti gun crew probably don't have guns anyway, and the pro gun crew feel strongly enough about it that they would get their guns licenced if that law came into force. Its such a fundamental issue in their constitution that I can't see them tightening up too massively if they do change the law.

I think if they did crack down hard it probably would make a difference, but I don't think they are brave enough to take strong enough measures to make a difference.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2012, 01:11:45 AM »

Who needs an assault rifle for self-defence?
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2012, 01:19:45 AM »

Who needs an assault rifle for self-defence?

It doesn't really matter what you or I think really, there is very little chance of a change in the law that will make a real difference to the situation there.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2012, 01:30:45 AM »

Obviously gun control would make a small impact on people 'losing their heads' for 2 mins as camel put it. However i can't see it stopping any of these spree shootings which are almost always planned over the course of weeks. I also fear it would mean normal law abiding citizens would go about buying weapons illegally thus providing a new market to organised crime.

In the same way i think it would be hard for us to ban cigarettes or fish and chips
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2012, 07:48:48 AM »

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Obviously gun control would make a small impact on people 'losing their heads' for 2 mins as camel put it. However i can't see it stopping any of these spree shootings which are almost always planned over the course of weeks. I also fear it would mean normal law abiding citizens would go about buying weapons illegally thus providing a new market to organised crime.

In the same way i think it would be hard for us to ban cigarettes or fish and chips

Growing up (I'm not yet forty) shotguns were left laying around my grandparents house - gun safety was considered to ensure shotguns were propped up in the corner of a room and cartridges in a bowl on the sideboard or in a belt on a door handle.

Me and my cousins were always playing army, etc with them (unloaded - we weren't quite that daft).

My dad was a little more sensible, his guns were kept in a wardrobe with the cartridges on a high shelf but again I used to get them out when I home alone.

Had I flipped one day, or if we had been burgled, there could easily have been some damage (though I suspect a lot less with a couple of shotguns than the USA has recently seen with pistols and automatic weapons).

When the UK controls kept getting stricker and the licence fees went up and up eventually my Dad couldn't be bothered with the hassle or expense and got rid of them.

Gun control would have a massive impact short, medium and long term.

Short term the majority of law abiding people would hand over their guns as they did in the UK when handguns were banned. If there is any kind of register you can't simply lose the guns.

Medium term to long term the supply of guns would reduce further as guns illegal guns are gradually discovered by the police and the supply of legal guns reduces as gun manufacturers close down due to lack of sales.

Some criminal's will always get access to guns but basic economics dictate that reducing the supply will drive up the price and drive down the demand. The average UK criminal doesn't carry a gun as they are hard to get hold off, incur serious jail sentences and are not needed as you are unlikely to be involved in a shoot out with the police or general public.
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2012, 08:04:36 AM »

What % of the UK population owned a hang gun? I would bet my net worth the % in the US is at least 10x what it was in the UK.

That's without even mentioning the unregistered weapons in the USA
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2012, 08:52:26 AM »

Statistics du jour

11/09/01 3k died
Since then in USA with guns 334k

Amount spent on the prevention of terrorism $3,000,000,000,000 ish

On gun controll to stop Americans killing themselves and others with guns - almost nothing
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2012, 09:49:25 AM »

Reading the reports, admire the teaching staff who showed incredible bravery amid such fear & terror.

Unimaginably horrific.
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2012, 11:54:43 AM »

Do people think gun control would help? Or make things much harder for police by driving the gun trade underground?

It would certainly make it harder for a 20-year old kid to get hold of three of them.
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