School shooting in US

[kinboshi]

The states with tighter gun control have fewer murders involving guns. Of course, this could be correlation rather than causation, but to think nothing can be done to reduce the number of killings by guns in the US is flawed imo.

But there is a big difference between what could be done and will ACTUALLY be done.

That's a different argument. 

Obama has hinted at stronger gun regulation in the past, and now he doesn't have a re-election to worry about he might actually decide to do something.  As has been mentioned, regulation on automatic assault rifles would be one of the easy first steps. Then there's controls on concealed weapons.

Not really is all part of the equation you have to put in the mix. Is all well and dandy us bleating from over here, but they simply don't think like us over there.

Who doesn't?  I love the way you're basing what ALL Americans think based on the views of some.

There ARE states with stricter gun-control laws.  Would you be surprised if some of these laws aren't spread nationwide?

No, I just doubt they will make any difference, people who want guns will still have them one way or another.

Why do you doubt that?  The evidence seems to contradict it.

[kinboshi]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/

[Woodsey]

The states with tighter gun control have fewer murders involving guns. Of course, this could be correlation rather than causation, but to think nothing can be done to reduce the number of killings by guns in the US is flawed imo.

But there is a big difference between what could be done and will ACTUALLY be done.

That's a different argument. 

Obama has hinted at stronger gun regulation in the past, and now he doesn't have a re-election to worry about he might actually decide to do something.  As has been mentioned, regulation on automatic assault rifles would be one of the easy first steps. Then there's controls on concealed weapons.

Not really is all part of the equation you have to put in the mix. Is all well and dandy us bleating from over here, but they simply don't think like us over there.

Who doesn't?  I love the way you're basing what ALL Americans think based on the views of some.

There ARE states with stricter gun-control laws.  Would you be surprised if some of these laws aren't spread nationwide?

No, I just doubt they will make any difference, people who want guns will still have them one way or another.

Why do you doubt that?  The evidence seems to contradict it.

They won't make changes far enough to make a difference. I'm on your side mate, but I lived there for a year and I've seen first hand their attitude to guns and how precious they are about being able to have them. I do think they will probably make some changes, but they will be too superficial to make a real difference.

It goes back to their constitution as has been said and they get really heated up about anything that challenges it.

[Geo the Sarge]

The states with tighter gun control have fewer murders involving guns. Of course, this could be correlation rather than causation, but to think nothing can be done to reduce the number of killings by guns in the US is flawed imo.

But there is a big difference between what could be done and will ACTUALLY be done.

That's a different argument. 

Obama has hinted at stronger gun regulation in the past, and now he doesn't have a re-election to worry about he might actually decide to do something.  As has been mentioned, regulation on automatic assault rifles would be one of the easy first steps. Then there's controls on concealed weapons.

Not really is all part of the equation you have to put in the mix. Is all well and dandy us bleating from over here, but they simply don't think like us over there.

Who doesn't?  I love the way you're basing what ALL Americans think based on the views of some.

There ARE states with stricter gun-control laws.  Would you be surprised if some of these laws aren't spread nationwide?

No, I just doubt they will make any difference, people who want guns will still have them one way or another.

Why do you doubt that?  The evidence seems to contradict it.

They won't make changes far enough to make a difference. I'm on your side mate, but I lived there for a year and I've seen first hand their attitude to guns and how precious they are about being able to have them. I do think they will probably make some changes, but they will be too superficial to make a real difference.

It goes back to their constitution as has been said and they get really heatered up about anything that challenges it.

FYP

 

Geo

[titaniumbean]

Not much of a discussion or much point in just saying well it wont help their all so dumb with so many guns already. Tis very frustrating.


maybe they should just arm their school kids aswell so they can 'respond' if something happens?

[Acidmouse]

You cannot argue to keep guns just because its a right hassle to change the culture and reduce the huge amount of guns people already own. You have to do whats morally right and just, the things that are hardest to change are often the most rewarding long term.

If you are for the right to have guns then you have to at least come up with a valid argument, above the problematic to change spiel.

[byronkincaid]

old paul phillips blog on gun control

http://extempore.livejournal.com/180946.html?nojs=1

[kinboshi]

old paul phillips blog on gun control

http://extempore.livejournal.com/180946.html?nojs=1

Wow:

" Now as it happens I believe that 0% of the gun deaths in the US are preventable through gun prohibition"

Let's just ignore the evidence and have a good rant about how marvellous the American Constitution is.

[Woodsey]

old paul phillips blog on gun control

http://extempore.livejournal.com/180946.html?nojs=1

Wow:

" Now as it happens I believe that 0% of the gun deaths in the US are preventable through gun prohibition"

Let's just ignore the evidence and have a good rant about how marvellous the American Constitution is.

And there lies the problem. Its all well and good us ranting about how they should change stuff, but you have to understand how most Americans think to realise they will probably change very little that will make a difference.

[celtic]

Maybe if everyone changed their status or picture on facebook, then the US Govt might start to pay attention...

[AndrewT]

Maybe if everyone changed their status or picture on facebook, then the US Govt might start to pay attention...

That's not enough Vinny - I fear it may take the bold step of many people liking a photo of a child with a vague, trite slogan.

[celtic]

Maybe if everyone changed their status or picture on facebook, then the US Govt might start to pay attention...

That's not enough Vinny - I fear it may take the bold step of many people liking a photo of a child with a vague, trite slogan.

[redarmi]

The states with tighter gun control have fewer murders involving guns. Of course, this could be correlation rather than causation, but to think nothing can be done to reduce the number of killings by guns in the US is flawed imo.

But there is a big difference between what could be done and will ACTUALLY be done.

That's a different argument.  

Obama has hinted at stronger gun regulation in the past, and now he doesn't have a re-election to worry about he might actually decide to do something.  As has been mentioned, regulation on automatic assault rifles would be one of the easy first steps. Then there's controls on concealed weapons.

Not really is all part of the equation you have to put in the mix. Is all well and dandy us bleating from over here, but they simply don't think like us over there.

Who doesn't?  I love the way you're basing what ALL Americans think based on the views of some.

There ARE states with stricter gun-control laws.  Would you be surprised if some of these laws aren't spread nationwide?

No, I just doubt they will make any difference, people who want guns will still have them one way or another.

I think to a degree you are probably right but in the longer run the bureaucracy involved will reduce the number of people that have them.  I am vaguely friends with a guy that used to be involved in politics in Florida and he was involved to a degree in the 70's of making it easier for people to have concealed weapon permits.  When they introduced it in the first year he said 43 people in the whole of Broward County (Fort Lauderdale area probably a population of nearly 2m) had a concealed weapon permit.  Last year that number was up to nearly 50k.  The process of making it easier for them made more people own guns and I don't see why that can't be reversed albeit probably slowly.  Of course there will aways be some people that want guns and will take steps to own them irrespective of the laws.  Gangbangers in Moss Side have access to guns but if they are caught with them then there are consequences and that could be the same in the USA.

[TightEnd]

I assume this is true and not social media crap. If so, brave lady

[snoopy1239]

old paul phillips blog on gun control

http://extempore.livejournal.com/180946.html?nojs=1

Wow:

" Now as it happens I believe that 0% of the gun deaths in the US are preventable through gun prohibition"

Let's just ignore the evidence and have a good rant about how marvellous the American Constitution is.

And there lies the problem. Its all well and good us ranting about how they should change stuff, but you have to understand how most Americans think to realise they will probably change very little that will make a difference.

I think history has shown though that it is possible to change the way people think if you try hard enough.