Ghey Spot - one for the 6max wizards

[titaniumbean]

if you have to raise fold TT to a 3bet, game select moar?

[Honeybadger]

@ Titty
Not really... in fact the opposite could be said. If opponents are not 3betting you widely enough for you to need to continue with TT then you are in a good game.

@ TL900
You don't need to have a peeling range OOP at 50NL with around 100bb stacks. 4bet or fold is enough. At some point you need to do the difficult job of balancing two ranges - a 4betting range and a flatting range. But this is not necessary here.

[cambridgealex]

@ Titty
Not really... in fact the opposite could be said. If opponents are not 3betting you widely enough for you to need to continue with TT then you are in a good game.

What do you mean by this Stu?

[Honeybadger]

I mean that at 50NL most regs have far too narrow 3betting ranges, especially vs EP opens. Basically they don't bluff enough. This is a good thing because it means we are not put in any tough spots with our mid strength hands. We rarely face heat with them, and thus when we do we can happily fold them. And in fact by so doing we are crushing our opponents through folding (punishing them for their overly tight 3betting ranges by denying them action).

When players start to have well-balanced polarised 3betting ranges vs our EP raises they put us in tough spots with hands like TT or AQ.

[titaniumbean]

r/f TT is pretty fking exploitative.

[Honeybadger]

r/f TT is pretty fking exploitative.

Yes it is exploitative. We are exploiting our opponent's poorly constructed 3betting ranges by denying them action since their ranges are too light in bluffs.

I suspect you meant exploitable though, right? Well yes any exploitative strategy can also be exploited.

[cambridgealex]

I mean that at 50NL most regs have far too narrow 3betting ranges, especially vs EP opens. Basically they don't bluff enough. This is a good thing because it means we are not put in any tough spots with our mid strength hands. We rarely face heat with them, and thus when we do we can happily fold them. And in fact by so doing we are crushing our opponents through folding (punishing them for their overly tight 3betting ranges by denying them action).

When players start to have well-balanced polarised 3betting ranges vs our EP raises they put us in tough spots with hands like TT or AQ.

oh shit i missed a negative in your first post which reversed what you were saying in my head so was a bit confused!

[titaniumbean]

r/f TT is pretty fking exploitative.

Yes it is exploitative. We are exploiting our opponent's poorly constructed 3betting ranges by denying them action since their ranges are too light in bluffs.

I suspect you meant exploitable though, right? Well yes any exploitative strategy can also be exploited.

ya I get that we can be exploited. the whole premise of r/f TT here means we are the one doing the exploiting!

[Honeybadger]

Ok cool... I just thought you were saying the standard "omg, we are super exploitable if we fold TT here" etc etc. and you'd got your words confused. Should have given you more credit

[pleno1]

fold pre flop is standard here

Is it really standard? Like, if i could poll every single 100nl reg on stars would they agree with standard? I understand what your saying about ev of decision etc, but saying standard isn't the same.

the standard, ie the correct decision to fold. alot of 100nl regulars will not fold though, but if they all played perfectly they all wouldnt play 100nl.

standard to me just means standard play.

like in a $3 if somebody posts a hand and we say standard its the standard line not what the most common line is.

[pleno1]

fold pre flop is standard here

do you have a peeling range here?

yeah, qq, jj, aqs, ako

4betting ak is also probably ok, although calling is superior. qq/jj both standard calls rather than 4bets.

this is for 100nl games vs standard 100nl regs fwiw

[pleno1]

if you have to raise fold TT to a 3bet, game select moar?

opposite.

DUCY?

[titaniumbean]

Ok cool... I just thought you were saying the standard "omg, we are super exploitable if we fold TT here" etc etc. and you'd got your words confused. Should have given you more credit

sok took me about 3 attempts to spell the fker! rofl

[pleno1]

@ Titty
Not really... in fact the opposite could be said. If opponents are not 3betting you widely enough for you to need to continue with TT then you are in a good game.

@ TL900
You don't need to have a peeling range OOP at 50NL with around 100bb stacks. 4bet or fold is enough. At some point you need to do the difficult job of balancing two ranges - a 4betting range and a flatting range. But this is not necessary here.

Completely agree with point 1.

Think you must have wrote point 2 incorrectly.

[pleno1]

r/f TT is pretty fking exploitative.

SO? its 100nl?