Getting bluffed at Big Bluff

[cambridgealex]

Keys must be under it to give the best horse the boot

[Deadman]

Has stato left?

[cambridgealex]

Has stato left?

you mean thigh?

[Deadman]

Lol... Harsh

[Yian]

Damn your derailing Deadman!

[Eso Kral]

Ha!

I would have bet good money that Eso was the villain here. The whole description, even how he counted out the 5 bet, smacked of the Blacklock Bluff.

UL Yian and brutal exit hand mate!!

[DungBeetle]

I think this is a really interesting spot which reminds me of a big discussion I had over several days with someone on another forum.

The argument about wasting a good hand and turning it into a bluff is valid.  Some advocate assigning a range to the initial raiser and then going from there when you find 99/AK, and villain’s subsequent actions should be irrelevant.  i.e. are you looking to get it all in against villain’s range preflop, or are you going to call and re-evaluate on the flop?  The argument being that raising the decent hand with intention to fold leaves you exploitable to the bluff (as is what happened).   

The downsides to this in my mind are

A) It doesn’t work if pushed to logical extremes.  EG – first level of the Main Event if I 3bet your open with 88 then using the above logic I should be happy to get it all in pre-flop which would be ludicrous.
B) It assumes that the subsequent raises provide no new information.  I.e. the guy 5 betting does not change his range, where in reality it should.

It comes down to stack size.  Whereas the 88 example above is ludicrous it would be similarly absurd to 4 bet fold AK when you have stuck half your stack in.

So the question in my mind becomes is your stack deep enough to 4 bet fold AK?  Is the information you glean from seeing whether he 5 bets outweigh the fact you have put in 15k of your stack with a strong hand before surrendering your hand without even seeing a flop?  I personally think you have a deep enough stack to do this, but some people (like the guy I was debating this with last year and who had a very strong online record) would hate this play.

[Eso Kral]

I have not really posted my thought on this hand but did have a chat about it with Yian himself at DTD this weekend and explained that as one of 4 new players to the table they would not have been aware that Villain 2 in this hand and myself had quite a dynamic and had been battling all day in various spots and we were much deeper than Yian in this particular hand.

Since the start of the comp I had managed to cultivate a "batshit crazy" image (copyright Pleno) and managed to chip up as a result of this so with half the table new and unaware I decided that given the right spot I would maintain this image with 3levels of day1 left and the need to chip up in this particular comp so having an amount of "vagrancy vig" UTG I opened 89hh and from this point onwards all bets sizes as stated in the OP are correct.

My thought process in the hand having observed the earlier action from Yian were that he will be light vs Villain2 (ala J2o hand as reported) a good% of the time and as I am a good few years older than both villains I will get some credit due to this and being UTG and if Villain 2 6bet he would be making it circa 50-60k and still leave me room to 7b AI which would have been the plan vs villain2 and could only see him calling KK+ and vs Yian I was always folding vs his stack size as he could only ever 6bet All in.

Obv the whole hand can look spewy from me but stack sizes and villains meant it was one where you just "had to be there" and as I know villain2 and he told me he folded QQ then vs him my assumption of the 7b getting through are correct and it would have been an easy fold vs Yian still leaving me 100bbs after the 5b.

I only showed the bluff as Yian snap turned his hand over and to use it as my opportunity to maintain my image vs the other new players on the table as learnt along time ago not to show unless for a reason.

[cambridgealex]

batshit is copyright john black no?