DTD300 - TT in SB with 32bb Vs Nit open UTG+1

[edgascoigne]

DTD300 this weekend.

400-800 a100. I am playing 26k. Table has seemed pretty reasonable value, regrettably I am fairly short and unable to take advantage of this.

We are in the SB. BB (covers, just) seems fairly straightforward and hasn't been seen to squeeze at all.

Nit (playing c45k) opens UTG+1 to 1925. He seems unlikely to make glaring errors but is, in my opinion at least, a little on the cautious side.

Folds to us in the SB where we find 

WWYD? All options felt fairly rancid. Was happy with the route I took but interested to hear others' approaches.

[NigDawG]

let's see 3

[MC]

Yeah, call

[edgascoigne]

Cool. Call is what I did. BB folds.

(5350 in pot, 24k back)

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4.  

We check, and he c-bets 3k. What do we do on each of the above flops?

[ruud]

Fold 1.

Call other three.

Checking almost any turn though

[George2Loose]

Is nit playing straightforward post? Is he likely to double Barrell with nada/equity?

[edgascoigne]

Is nit playing straightforward post? Is he likely to double Barrell with nada/equity?

He's played literally one hand through the streets to this point, and that was at 50/100. There's a raise, few peelers (incl myself with   ), he completes from the SB and we go 5/6 way.

Flop comes   he ck cls.

Turn comes   he ck-raises, relatively small, certainly not big enough to shut out draws. I call.

River bricks off, he bets like 40% pot and I fold. He shows AQo (obv).

His chips have come through QQ>AA aipf where he 3b BTN and 5b AI over a BB cold 4b from Lee Rawson.

[George2Loose]

Think u can peel all bit option 1 in that case an c/fold if he bets again

[edgascoigne]

Think u can peel all bit option 1 in that case an c/fold if he bets again

Ok, so it comes option 4:

             (5350, 24k back)

I check call 3k.   (11350, 21k back)

Turn comes the  , so the board now reads:

 

We check and the villain bets 6.1k.



It's a brick of a turn, but he has fired again. We??

[kinboshi]

Sigh fold?

[cambridgealex]

folding first three probably, calling then folding turn on the 4th as played

[edgascoigne]

Sigh fold?

Think u can peel all bit option 1 in that case an c/fold if he bets again

And herein lies the rub....and why I think it's a very interesting spot pre.

We don't know if he's a "one and done" kind of guy. We're fairly confident he's on the tighter/more straightforward side. However we have found a pretty rare flop/turn combo in that it's all unders to our pair....

folding first three probably, calling then folding turn on the 4th as played

....If we are advocating folding on this board, are we right to call pre? In doing so are we merely looking to make a set (we seem too shallow, no?) or call one barrel on a safe board and then ck/ck, ck/ck? Both seem a little optimistic? And yet, how else are we going to win the pot??

[cambridgealex]

we don't know but we play vs population tendancies.

edit: will write something more helpful after this session

[MANTIS01]

Sigh fold?

Think u can peel all bit option 1 in that case an c/fold if he bets again

And herein lies the rub....and why I think it's a very interesting spot pre.

We don't know if he's a "one and done" kind of guy. We're fairly confident he's on the tighter/more straightforward side. However we have found a pretty rare flop/turn combo in that it's all unders to our pair....

folding first three probably, calling then folding turn on the 4th as played

....If we are advocating folding on this board, are we right to call pre? In doing so are we merely looking to make a set (we seem too shallow, no?) or call one barrel on a safe board and then ck/ck, ck/ck? Both seem a little optimistic? And yet, how else are we going to win the pot??

The hand will be played out differently dependant on different boards tho. In this hand you c/c on a v dry board and the turn 8 isn't a good card for him to rep. That texture makes me think a cautious player wont double barrel air very often. His bet sizing is the same as before when strong aswell so all the evidence points to strength. That said another flop can bring about a different reaction from him, or he may have AK and check this turn, or we might semi bluff all heart flop etc. The evidence might not point to strength in another hand. The fact this guy plays straightforward makes 1.5k easy call pre imo.

[cambridgealex]

Mantis is right, there's just so many different scenarios that can play out.

Putting aside the fact that if we're purely setmining it is still profitable, for example I'd still flick in the extra 1k with 22, since he has 32bbs and it's like just over 1bb to call and since he's a nit raising utg, it is reasonable to assume we will win enough on average to make this a purely profitable setmine.

Then of course there's all the other ways we can win (with TT) - he bets raggy flop, we call, he gives up, we call and turn a ten, he checks back any board and we win at showdown, or we bet turn and he folds / calls ace high etc.

The above scenarios happen often enough to massively discount the times it feels like we're playing weak or being exploited when we fold the turn on 7229 etc or just c/folded Q35.

IMO!