Etiquette question

[JustinSayne]

I am curious about what people will think of this.

Playing a £100 FO at luton and go to war with a guy with 2x average for huge pot which easily puts one of us chip leader with 30 or so left.

On the river I call on a K6243r board for a big shove after 3betting pre, checking flop, betting turn and check calling river.

Guy quickly turns over 55 and I sigh NH and go to muck and leave my seat since he just has me covered.

He now says "I want to see your hand"

Now I understand that if I was the aggressor he has every right to see my hand if he calls. Is the same true for when I check call the river?

Would like peoples opinions, seems like a really nasty thing for him to do.

My actual response was "do you really have to do that mate?" he insists rather smugly and I quickly flip my hand over (k4) and leave

[doubleup]

everybody at the table now know he is a classless prick, so I wouldn't bother about it.

[OverTheBorder]

It is a pretty dickish thing to do, I never ask, but I know some that would do it.  I would personally not give him the satisfaction of appearing annoyed, especially if I actually had 2 pair, if I was heroing off A high then I may be slightly less keen.

[doubleup]

btw in some cardrooms eg Venetian you can refuse to show as a caller.

[outragous76]

Learn how to accurately pitch your cards into the muck!

[cambridgealex]

Learn how to accurately pitch your cards into the muck!

[AndrewT]

Muck quicker

[LB44]

You should have thrown your cards into the muck and said you had Aces. Nh mate wp

[TightEnd]

Throw your cards into the muck with a creative piroeutte from a great height. Wish the dealer "good day to you" with a cheery smile and walk off in the safe knowledge that poker karma will get the other guy at some point

Walk out the casino and forget all about it. Poker life is too short

[shipitonetime]

Seeing as you've already busted from the mtt, he doesn't gain any information advantage. Seems pretty pointless. Guy is obv a huge douche imo. I wouldn't think too much of it tho, I always expect to see some OOL stuff when I play live these days...

[cambridgealex]

is a dickish thing to do

[tight4better]

Throw cards into muck like a speargun, even the greatest dealers with reactions like a fighter pilot can't stop you. Then leave and smile at him like the massive douche he is.

[Doobs]

Next time flip over 75 and shout "in your eye".

[jgcblack]

Next time flip over 75 and shout "in your eye".

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[Honeybadger]

In many card rooms the rules say that he has the right to see your cards. Obviously though, just because he has the right... it does not make it right.

This has been discussed many times. The purpose of this silly rule is to protect against potential collusion/chip dumping and such things (it is a silly rule because it does not work to do this, and creates a myriad of problems/bad feeling). Some players deliberately abuse the spirit of the rule because they want to gain information or perhaps because they want to needle an opponent. Either way, it is of course bad etiquette and classless behaviour. And obviously it is bad for the game in terms of creating a good atmosphere and nurturing the long-term health of poker etc.

You might think that how you react to this should depend on whether you believe your opponent knows he is wrong but is doing it anyway, or whether you think he just doesn't know better because noone has pointed it out to him yet. However, in reality you should react the same way regardless. What you should do is this:

Immediately table your cards. Do so with a smile on your face, without saying a word (other than perhaps "Sure, no problem"), and without displaying even the slightest hint of annoyance. Not even a subtly raised eyebrow or sigh, and certainly not any comment that would betray your digruntlement.

This is the most powerful way to deal with someone who is acting maliciously or through deliberate lack of etiquette. You refuse to even acknowledge the attack that he has made on you. It is the strongest possible reaction you can have in response to his actions. And it will be noticed by everyone at the table, including the villain.

And if the player genuinely does not know that what he has done is 'wrong' then why would you ever want to make him feel uncomfortable by making a comment, sighing, or whatever? He does not know better so it is not his fault until he is told otherwise.

You may often choose to speak to the player about this later on. Perhaps at the next break, but always at least five minutes after the incident has taken place. It is good for the long-term health of poker if players are helped to understand why such actions are bad. And they will often be receptive to your advice if you explain it in the right way: calmly, politely and with class. Those who do not listen or argue with you (or just don't care) are lost causes anyway, so just leave them be. Often someone will do this job for you at the table anyway, and say something to the villain about their actions. If this happens then you should keep out of it completely and not say a word. But listen to what is said, and if you think you can add anything to help villain understand then do so at a later time.

(I just realised you busted from the tournament on this hand, and what I have written above applies more if you are still at the table)