Maybe not as obvious as it looks?

[Honeybadger]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

[Honeybadger]

Jamming the flop vs the donk MUST be better than raise/calling in a satellite.

Most important thing though is that if you win this pot you should not play a single hand from now on.

[outragous76]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

[EvilPie]

Stacks on the other table are very important here. We know the average but that's pretty irrelevant this close to a satellite seat.

Most obvious point raised by a few is to fold pre. Assuming there's a couple of other short stacks on the other table you really have no need whatsoever to get involved. I understand what Jason's saying about picking up the blinds and not being able to fold to a seat in real life but given these stacks you 100% can.

It's when you go getting yourself in these sort of spots and doing 4 orbits worth of chips that you start to drag yourself back in to realms of having to nick a few blinds.

As played you have to fold unfortunately. You're still pretty much locked and at least you're giving chips away to someone, who now that he's on 120k is going to apply even more pressure to the others.

In satellites you really have to pay attention to the seating positions of the big stacks. You're in a bad spot. You have a similar stack 2 to your left which means you need an uber premium and should only ever be shoving. You don't ever want to see a flop.

The other big stack is the guy who can apply pressure as he has 3 short stacks to his left. Leave it with him to do your work for you.

Obviously if he's not applying any pressure then you may have to step it up but given that he's peeled here I think that's unlikely.

50p.

[EvilPie]

Jamming the flop vs the donk MUST be better than raise/calling in a satellite.

Most important thing though is that if you win this pot you should not play a single hand from now on you shouldn't have got involved in the first place.

[Honeybadger]

Jamming the flop vs the donk MUST be better than raise/calling in a satellite.

Most important thing though is that if you win this pot you should not play a single hand from now on you shouldn't have got involved in the first place.

Yeh true... I did say to fold preflop earlier ITT too!

[Honeybadger]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

But noone actually plays like this IRL! And they are right not to as well.

[outragous76]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

But noone actually plays like this IRL! And they are right not to as well.

you dont play enough sattelites if you think big stacks dont expolit 2nd place in chips on satty bubbles!

[kinboshi]

Yeah, definitely fold pre here.  To win you need to finish Top 10, not have the biggest stack when there are ten left.

If you are raising pre, then check/flat the flop, and the same on the turn, and then jam the river if it's a non-paired and non-flush board.

Really don't see any need to get involved or to voluntarily put any chips in the middle.

[david3103]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

But noone actually plays like this IRL! And they are right not to as well.

you dont play enough sattelites if you think big stacks dont expolit 2nd place in chips on satty bubbles!

They don't shouldn't exploit their stacks vs the one guy at the table that can reduce them to a bowl and has already shown strength in the hand.

[kinboshi]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

But noone actually plays like this IRL! And they are right not to as well.

you dont play enough sattelites if you think big stacks dont expolit 2nd place in chips on satty bubbles!

You can't really be exploited if you simply fold every hand and win a seat.

[outragous76]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

But noone actually plays like this IRL! And they are right not to as well.

you dont play enough sattelites if you think big stacks dont expolit 2nd place in chips on satty bubbles!

They don't shouldn't exploit their stacks vs the one guy at the table that can reduce them to a bowl and has already shown strength in the hand.

your getting it wrong! What hand can hero proceed with? He wants to fold the nuts!

If villain WANTS to exploit someone its the guy who is locked up! There arent too mnay stacks locked up on this table except heroes

[SuuPRlim]

This is all very silly.

If the big stack has  then he should just fold preflop surely?

If we get JJ surely we should just fold it OTB as well? I guess we should go 6k/call with AA/KK/(?QQ?) against the 35k stack and 6k/fold EVERYTHING against the 85k, even aces?

[outragous76]

This hand doesnt warrant discussion - its a trivial fold pre

The ONLY reason it warrants discussion is because we flopped the bojangles and I assume OP wants to fold

[david3103]

well

1. we have the nuts
2. im not raising flop to fold
3. his peel range starts at 72o vs you
4. his shove range still starts at 72o
5. 50p
6. fold pre


(you probably can fold here, but just dont play it so terrible in the first place - go get a cuppa tea and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii)

Guy, I'm honestly not 'picking on you' even though I'm also pulling you up on something you said in another thread right now too. But why on earth would you say that villain's peeling range (and flop jamming range) includes 72o??!! You do de crazy talk man

Nobody plays like this! And quite rightly too.

Because the big stack villain knows if he gets HU vs us he wins the pot.

Op is thinking of folding having flopped the nuts

But noone actually plays like this IRL! And they are right not to as well.

you dont play enough sattelites if you think big stacks dont expolit 2nd place in chips on satty bubbles!

They don't shouldn't exploit their stacks vs the one guy at the table that can reduce them to a bowl and has already shown strength in the hand.

your getting it wrong! What hand can hero proceed with? He wants to fold the nuts!

If villain WANTS to exploit someone its the guy who is locked up! There arent too mnay stacks locked up on this table except heroes

But if villain was going to exploit his stack size with a range from 72+ surely he'd have done it preflop not now when he's already seen that hero has some sort of hand?
We're giving villain a huge amount of credit here if we think he's capable of making this move with anything other than a hand that could be the same as ours (possibly freerolling a spade draw) or a hand that could beat ours with a spade or a paired board. First rule of satellites this close to the seats is don't put yourself in a spot like this.