Cashmans bookies ceases trading.

[gouty]

Roulette machines are banned in Eire.

I think this is an example of how unprofitable betting shop over the counter trade and telephone account betting has become due to margins decreasing and tv rights increasing astronomically.

The UK betting industry is now handcuffed to the fobt. Amazing really!

[action man]

the problem is most of the degens who do heaps in the machines can't read so can't study form for a race or even appreciate horse/dog racing. I don't see where the next generation of punters will come from.

[The Camel]

the problem is most of the degens who do heaps in the machines can't read so can't study form for a race or even appreciate horse/dog racing. I don't see where the next generation of punters will come from.

Ban Betfair is the only solution.

[action man]

gambling has gone too class A. People arent happy having a bet on the horses and waiting minutes for the result, they need that quick hit

[Doobs]

the problem is most of the degens who do heaps in the machines can't read so can't study form for a race or even appreciate horse/dog racing. I don't see where the next generation of punters will come from.

Ban Betfair is the only solution.

What problem does that solve?

[action man]

at least if they close the bookies down it will stop the scandal of old fellas being ripped off everytime they have a bet, by getting worse prices than if they were online, and no best odds for shop punters, is a disgrace really

[OverTheBorder]

gambling has gone too class A. People arent happy having a bet on the horses and waiting minutes for the result, they need that quick hit

100% agree with this, the bookies used to be a lull before the race and everyone used to be waiting on the same thing, the atmosphere was so much better, now its virtual this/dogs/virtual that/horses/lottery/virtual an other and all the time non stop money gettin spunked in roulette machines

[Tal]

gambling has gone too class A. People arent happy having a bet on the horses and waiting minutes for the result, they need that quick hit

100% agree with this, the bookies used to be a lull before the race and everyone used to be waiting on the same thing, the atmosphere was so much better, now its virtual this/dogs/virtual that/horses/lottery/virtual an other and all the time non stop money gettin spunked in roulette machines

Every poker comp you go to has people criticising the opponent for making a marginally -EV call and then spending the entire break at the little wheel.

Degens gotta degen

[gouty]

the problem is most of the degens who do heaps in the machines can't read so can't study form for a race or even appreciate horse/dog racing. I don't see where the next generation of punters will come from.

Ban Betfair is the only solution.

Now now Keef. No need for sarcasm. Hehe. But it is an interesting situation the industry is in now.

Exchanges are obviously here for good but so are fobts or 5000 shops will close. I wonder now if senior number crunchers realised this all those years ago when betfair first started? Like they thought betting shops are now gonna be in trouble with these margins lets give them another revenue stream.

Roll on Cheltenham. Definitely had enough of this all weather dross.

[bookiebasher]

The younger generation in general are not interested in horse racing or dogs one bit.

Im changing my shop front to promote the FOB's and will in the next couple of months
probably take SiS out to save 20k a year.

If the cost to bookies of live racing stays at the current level then I can see in 3-5 years
there being no pictures in betting shops , except those clustered together and in direct
competition with each other.

Saturday afternoons used to be full of punters watching the racing but now , come 3pm
when they have all put their footy bets on , it's empty. Live pictures for me is a loss leader.

The pub next to me has Attheraces and Racing UK so it's a bit easier for me not to have
live racing if needs be.

Business models are changing rapidly and whether bricks and mortar bookies can survive
over the next 5-10 years is open to debate and possibly political decisions regarding FOB's
may be the key to survival or not.

[The Camel]

the problem is most of the degens who do heaps in the machines can't read so can't study form for a race or even appreciate horse/dog racing. I don't see where the next generation of punters will come from.

Ban Betfair is the only solution.

Now now Keef. No need for sarcasm. Hehe. But it is an interesting situation the industry is in now.

Exchanges are obviously here for good but so are fobts or 5000 shops will close. I wonder now if senior number crunchers realised this all those years ago when betfair first started? Like they thought betting shops are now gonna be in trouble with these margins lets give them another revenue stream.

Roll on Cheltenham. Definitely had enough of this all weather dross.

Not being sarcastic at all.

Before Betfair I was a bigger winner despite being a worse punter and I never had an account shut.

Bookmakers were bookmakers and laid a bet.

Now they are (justifiably) scared, because they assume anyone who is betting with them at on out of line price is arbing.

Accounts get shut as fast as we can open them.

You try and get more than a score on in the shops and they run for cover.

The game at the lower lowers levels is now rancid as Jess Ennis because it's more lucrative to cheat than to to try to win.

It's a crying shame.

Betfair has killed bookmakers and ultimately will kill horse racing as we know it.

[Karabiner]

"Rancid as Jess Ennis" ?

[The Camel]

"Rancid as Jess Ennis" ?

Milli called Jess "rancid"

[The Camel]

At the stakes Tips for Tikay is betting at, even 5 years ago, the chances of Tikay having any accounts restricted (even with joke firms like Stan James and Skybet!) would have been 1000/1

[The Camel]

In fact 10 years ago Stan James were different class.

The best bookmaker around, leading in the way with betting in running and innovative markets none of their competitors would offer.

They are now a pathetic joke.