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[taximan007]

If the Filipinos would employ foreigners I would stay there without a second thought whatever the wage, but don't send to many Brits out there 

[Woodsey]

If the Filipinos would employ foreigners I would stay there without a second thought whatever the wage, but don't send to many Brits out there 

I have connections that could get you a job as a house maid for 3000p a month if that suits? 

[AndrewT]

What people forget having this debate is when we talk about what's good for the UK population we aren't talking about what is exclusively good for white people who were born in Britain. There's about 10 million of our population who were foreign born and now only about 40% of residents in London describe themselves as white British. We are one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world. So when we talk about what's good for the UK population we are including an array of nationalities and ethnic backgrounds. We are also one of the most crowded nations in the world so having this debate seems more than reasonable to me. It's in the interests of all our residents nomatter where they originated from.

I am not sure you can have that discussion in a vacuum though.  You can't, for example, stop all immigration.  Asylum seekers, who get a lot of the worst press, are also amongst the most deserving and if we value our position as a world leader then taking in asylum seekers is a part of that process.  Then we have to have a discussion about whether we expect those that come to our country to take on our values and culture or whether we are quite happy to be multicultural and let elements of their culture seep into our own.  Nowadays in England we eat a lot of Indian and Chinese food, Notting Hill Carnival is enjoyed by all sections of society and most of us have learnt and been introduced to things from friends of other colours and nationalities.  Most of us now value these things but when they were first introduced to our society they were viewed with great hostility.  Maybe in a few years then elements of Polish and Romanian culture will be viewed with the same affection that we now view a chicken tikka massala and day out at carnival.  Incidentally I am pretty much an immigrant somewhere else and it can be really frightening.  For my first three months in Jamaica I barely went out and when I did it was with other white expats and I ate at burger king and Wendys.  Now I happily drive through the ghettos, go to local places and eat a lot of local seafood, jerk chicken, pork etc because I want to assimilate to a degree.  I was even spotted last week at a local club wining up ;-)  Learning about a new local culture is a great thing and we should look at ways that we can introduce immigrants to our culture and show how great it is.  maybe we can all learn something from each other.

All well and good but there a big difference when the immigrant is wealthier than the indigenous population (as I assume you are). In those cases, a lot of the time the locals want the immigrants to assimilate and mix in because they want the $$$.

[MANTIS01]

What people forget having this debate is when we talk about what's good for the UK population we aren't talking about what is exclusively good for white people who were born in Britain. There's about 10 million of our population who were foreign born and now only about 40% of residents in London describe themselves as white British. We are one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world. So when we talk about what's good for the UK population we are including an array of nationalities and ethnic backgrounds. We are also one of the most crowded nations in the world so having this debate seems more than reasonable to me. It's in the interests of all our residents nomatter where they originated from.

I am not sure you can have that discussion in a vacuum though.  You can't, for example, stop all immigration.  Asylum seekers, who get a lot of the worst press, are also amongst the most deserving and if we value our position as a world leader then taking in asylum seekers is a part of that process.  Then we have to have a discussion about whether we expect those that come to our country to take on our values and culture or whether we are quite happy to be multicultural and let elements of their culture seep into our own.  Nowadays in England we eat a lot of Indian and Chinese food, Notting Hill Carnival is enjoyed by all sections of society and most of us have learnt and been introduced to things from friends of other colours and nationalities.  Most of us now value these things but when they were first introduced to our society they were viewed with great hostility.  Maybe in a few years then elements of Polish and Romanian culture will be viewed with the same affection that we now view a chicken tikka massala and day out at carnival.  Incidentally I am pretty much an immigrant somewhere else and it can be really frightening.  For my first three months in Jamaica I barely went out and when I did it was with other white expats and I ate at burger king and Wendys.  Now I happily drive through the ghettos, go to local places and eat a lot of local seafood, jerk chicken, pork etc because I want to assimilate to a degree.  I was even spotted last week at a local club wining up ;-)  Learning about a new local culture is a great thing and we should look at ways that we can introduce immigrants to our culture and show how great it is.  maybe we can all learn something from each other.

Not sure how your post relates to my point. Even so I agree with every word and think it would be a dreadful idea to stop all immigration. To illustrate how your post would relate to mine tho let's take your chicken tikka massala idea as an example. Let's say a hard-working Indian family arrive in the UK and set-up a great little curry shop on the high street where no curry shop exists. Everything goes well, they are offering a great product and a valuable service whilst contributing to the local economy. All good. Word spreads back home that this family are doing well for themselves and it encourages others to come to the UK. Then 10 different hard-working families all arrive and seek to set up 10 different curry shops on the high street. Forget what I think. What do you think the original family would think about that?

This is why I don't get the "racism" element of the immigration debate. The original family would naturally hate the idea because their slice of the curry market would reduce. Nothing to do with race, nothing to do with whether people like chicken tikka masala, nothing to do with how deserving the other families are. Everything to do with saturation. That concept absolutely transcends race, it's just an economic fact. Everybody wants opportunity in life and everybody wants to progress. If that original Indian family fear their quality of life and perhaps their very livelihood is threatened by many more Indian families arriving on the high street they will be fearful and resentful of the new Indian families.

The vast majority of Brits embrace immigration and understand it's great value but they are fearful about whether opportunity and progress will be available to them in the future. It only serves to muddy the waters to turn it into a race issue which clearly it is not for the majority. People just want to be reassured by facts and simply patting them on the head and telling them curry tastes good doesn't cut the mango chutney for me.

As far as Britain wanting to keep it's place as a world leader well I think we should perhaps reasses our position. When you are broke and your debt is only getting bigger spending money you don't actually have to retain an image should be a low priority imo. It's like my mrs going out and buying new shoes when she's overdrawn just so people know she's a leader in fashion.

[The Camel]

Any reason this is stickied?

[AndrewT]

Any reason this is stickied?

Looks like a case of 'fat finger mod' syndrome.

Now unstickied.

[tikay]

Any reason this is stickied?

I don't beleive it is Keith. If it is, or was, it was not intentional. I think you know what my view on threads like this would be.

I just tested it by setting it sticky, & non-sticky again, so it should resume it's rightful place now.

[tikay]

Any reason this is stickied?

Looks like a case of 'fat finger mod' syndrome.

Now unstickied.

Vinni has not been on the thread afaik.

[Honeybadger]

According to a recent poll, 50% of Daily Mail readers believe that Poland is empty.

[RED-DOG]

According to a recent poll, 50% of Daily Mail readers believe that Poland is empty.

The trouble with Daily mail readers is, half of then cant read, half of them can't write, and the other half can't add up.

[The Camel]

According to a recent poll, 50% of Daily Mail readers believe that Poland is empty.

The trouble with Daily mail readers is, half of then cant read, half of them can't write, and the other half can't add up.

And 97% of statistics are made up.

[kinboshi]

Talking of the Daily Mail, this is amusing.

Daily Mail 'journalist' asks on MumsNet for help doing a hatchet job on the NHS...

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/media_nonmember_requests/a1683415-National-Newspaper-seeking-stories-of-children-sent-to-A-E-inappropriately-by-GPs

[Acidmouse]

According to a recent poll, 50% of Daily Mail readers believe that Poland is empty.

The trouble with Daily mail readers is, half of then cant read, half of them can't write, and the other half can't add up.

they can copy and paste though.

[The Camel]

Talking of the Daily Mail, this is amusing.

Daily Mail 'journalist' asks on MumsNet for help doing a hatchet job on the NHS...

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/media_nonmember_requests/a1683415-National-Newspaper-seeking-stories-of-children-sent-to-A-E-inappropriately-by-GPs

Didn't have you down as a Mumsnet user.

I live and learn.

[RED-DOG]

What's the difference between a duck?