Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London

[The Camel]

It's all been going swimmingly until this hand comes up.

I have parlayed my stating 20k upto about 30k, but Sam has just trebled up his short stack to over 35k when this hand came up:

Level 4 100-200

UTG I make it 500 to play with KK.

4 callers (!)

Sam in the bb makes it 2900.

I reraise to 6400.

Everyone folds back to Sam who makes it 10100.

I call.

Flop comes AT3 rainbow

He checks, I check.

Turn 5

He checks, I check.

River J.

He bets 10500, I fold.


Thoughts appreciated on size of my 4 bet, me not 6 betting preflop (size ofbet if you think I should 6 bet).

Also, what about my checks on flop and turn? (I think I should probably have bet the turn).

What about my fold on the river?

Any comments/questions welcomed.

[SuuPRlim]

I think you should either flat the 3bet (2900) or 6bet all-in, 5bet calling makes abso no sense to me because its impossible for you not to have a really good hand once you call the 5bet, you're not just "taking the flop" with are you? Also, as crazy as sammy g is I think it's very very likely he has a really strong hand pre-flop. there is literaly nothing you beat OTR except QQ which I think is unlikely to take this post-flop line.

This all being said who the fuck knows what goes on in sammy's head, lol.

[The Camel]

I think you should either flat the 3bet (2900) or 6bet all-in, 5bet calling makes abso no sense to me because its impossible for you not to have a really good hand once you call the 5bet, you're not just "taking the flop" with are you? Also, as crazy as sammy g is I think it's very very likely he has a really strong hand pre-flop. there is literaly nothing you beat OTR except QQ which I think is unlikely to take this post-flop line.

This all being said who the fuck knows what goes on in sammy's head, lol.

The plan was to 6 bet shove when I 4 bet, but his reraise size really fcked with my head.

I didn't know what to think. I certainly couldn't fold imo, I was getting set mining odds if nothing else.

Still don't know what to think tbh.

[Dry em]

Once he makes it 10,100, if you call there is what 21k in there? With aces I guess you can call but with Kings I'm either clicking back or shoving. Probably shoving - worst case he folds and you pick it all up without risk?

[The Camel]

Once he makes it 10,100, if you call there is what 21k in there? With aces I guess you can call but with Kings I'm either clicking back or shoving. Probably shoving - worst case he folds and you pick it all up without risk?

If he'd made it 14k or so that was the plan.

But his five bet is so small, it just screamed of aces reopening the betting so I could 6 bet.

But obviously that's what it was designed to make me think.

[Dry em]

Once he makes it 10,100, if you call there is what 21k in there? With aces I guess you can call but with Kings I'm either clicking back or shoving. Probably shoving - worst case he folds and you pick it all up without risk?

If he'd made it 14k or so that was the plan.

But his five bet is so small, it just screamed of aces reopening the betting so I could 6 bet.

But obviously that's what it was designed to make me think.

Think the last line is key - if he has Aces I'm going broke here

[Dry em]

Plus re set mining - you're never folding on a low flop I don't think so I don't think you can look at it from that angle

[SuuPRlim]

think you've totally leveled yourself here Kieth, made a kinda easy spot needlessly hard.

Flat the 3bet and play with a disguised hand down the streets (this will work ok vs Sammy who'll barrell and bet thin for value more than most imo) or get as much in pre-flop as he'll let you which given Sammy's image can only be good as well. Putting 1/3 of yoru stack in p/f and playing a really strong range passively post-flop without the initiative seems like the worst of the three by a long mile.

[pleno1]

why would you ever expect him to size to 15k thats half of his stack and can never be a bluff. 4bet size should be as small as possbile as he won't be 5b bluffing more than 30% of his stack, its hard to size it too much smaller, so think flatting is only option here.

Just 4b/6b Ako/Aks and 4b bluff AQ or KQ.

[The Camel]

why would you ever expect him to size to 15k thats half of his stack and can never be a bluff. 4bet size should be as small as possbile as he won't be 5b bluffing more than 30% of his stack, its hard to size it too much smaller, so think flatting is only option here.

Just 4b/6b Ako/Aks and 4b bluff AQ or KQ.

Why would I expect him to 5bet bigger?

Because i am literally calling/reraising with every hand I'm 4 betting with.

And believe me, in this spot I am 4 betting extremely wide here, in fact I'm 4 betting approx 100% of my raising hands (although he doesn't know this, I haven't 4 bet once so far)

Would you want to play a 20k+ pot OOP v an unknown hand?

[SuuPRlim]

what is going on ITT.

4betting 100% sounds ridiculous Keith, Sammy has squeezed after an UTG open and some caller, PRE-ANTES, from the small blind, yes he will be light a decent % but a lot of "good" 3betting hands become really profitable calls after all the action, J9s and so on. I think he just has a really good hand here most of the time. Appriciate that you have opened UTG so will have strong range yourself but your saying you'd 4bet a hand like QTs, defo levelling yourself of sammy's image imo.

4betting, and then flatting the 5bet for 1/3 of your stack looks INSANELY strong like you literally have a big hand always so surely a click/jam would look weaker? If you wanna be deceptive then flat the 3bet imo, flatting the 5bet isn't remotely deceptive, I think sammy will put you on QQ-AA here a high % of the time, you've opened UTG, 4bet a really strong looking 3bet and then peeled an even stronger looking 5bet, realistically you have KQ here preflop about 0.005% of the time.

The way the hand plays out wouldnt be at all surprised if he has kings aswell actually.

[pleno1]

Once he makes it 10,100, if you call there is what 21k in there? With aces I guess you can call but with Kings I'm either clicking back or shoving. Probably shoving - worst case he folds and you pick it all up without risk?

If he'd made it 14k or so that was the plan.

But his five bet is so small, it just screamed of aces

Why would I expect him to 5bet bigger?

confused, wha5 was your initial plan when you slid out the 4b?

[The Camel]

what is going on ITT.

4betting 100% sounds ridiculous Keith, Sammy has squeezed after an UTG open and some caller, PRE-ANTES, from the small blind, yes he will be light a decent % but a lot of "good" 3betting hands become really profitable calls after all the action, J9s and so on. I think he just has a really good hand here most of the time. Appriciate that you have opened UTG so will have strong range yourself but your saying you'd 4bet a hand like QTs, defo levelling yourself of sammy's image imo.

4betting, and then flatting the 5bet for 1/3 of your stack looks INSANELY strong like you literally have a big hand always so surely a click/jam would look weaker? If you wanna be deceptive then flat the 3bet imo, flatting the 5bet isn't remotely deceptive, I think sammy will put you on QQ-AA here a high % of the time, you've opened UTG, 4bet a really strong looking 3bet and then peeled an even stronger looking 5bet, realistically you have KQ here preflop about 0.005% of the time.

The way the hand plays out wouldnt be at all surprised if he has kings aswell actually.

Sam is playing fast and loose.

He has pretty much said he is playing to get a stack or use the second bullet.

His squeeze meant zero to me, in this exact spot, where I have 0 four bet's so far, against an opponent who I think is very likely to be squeezing very thin I think 4 betting is mandatory.

The thing is, I don't think my 4 bet does look strong.

All that dead money, his squeeze doesn't look at all strong to me. I think he's going to do this with virtually any two.

His 5 bet, though, looks insanely strong to me.

But getting over 6/1 in position, I'm at least calling with all the hands I'm 4 betting with.

KQ is alot more likely than you imagine. Would have played the same way with KQs in this exact spot.

[The Camel]

Once he makes it 10,100, if you call there is what 21k in there? With aces I guess you can call but with Kings I'm either clicking back or shoving. Probably shoving - worst case he folds and you pick it all up without risk?

If he'd made it 14k or so that was the plan.

But his five bet is so small, it just screamed of aces

Why would I expect him to 5bet bigger?

confused, wha5 was your initial plan when you slid out the 4b?

To 6 bet jam if he made it 13-14k.

[The Camel]

I'm not justifying my play at all.

I know I played it like a wanker.

Just explaining why I'm a wanker ITT.