Moar 1/1DC antics (superstud)

[TL900]

Villian is neil giblin slightly intoxicated shall we say as described in Alex's padooki thread. I am the effective stack with £600ish

Sizings might be a bit off but i will do my best. Neil raises to 12 and gets called by me and linton i am holding  and throw away the 9 and T and show my face up.

Pot is 36. I get given  . Neil pots it and pete folds and i call?? Not sure whats best here.

My hand 

Neils two cards 

Next draw : pot 108

Me : 
Neil : 

Neil pots again, i call?? Think this is the closest street and think anything is viable.

Next draw: pot 324 (i have 450ish behind)

Me:  (gtfo)
Neil : 

Me : 
Neil : 

Neil pots and i fold. Thoughts on each street?

[paulhouk03]

Is folding pre out of the question?

[cambridgealex]

think you should repot/getit in on fourth street (when you have 4567)

as played get it in when you pair the 5

as played fold when you draw the 9.

disclaimer: no idea what I'm doing but this is what feels like the right thing to do

[EvilPie]

Stick to holdem.

Think I might make a DC comeback if this game goes on regularly.

[EvilPie]

You should fold at every opportunity.

The chance of Neil having a big hand here are pretty high. I'd suspect AA or a set is a strong possibility.

Put it this way. By the sounds of it it's a splashy game. That being the case anybody with Axxxx is going to be flicking it in to see at least one more card. Even if they've got shit to go with it they'll still show the A and try to bluff one street.

Chances are that nobody else had an A in their hand. Assuming you're 8 handed (must be to get re-dealt the 9), if you discount Neil there's 35 cards gone which probably aren't an ace. That leaves 17 cards out of which Neil needs to find 2 of probably 3 or 4 aces from the 5 cards he's been given.

What did Pete show and also what did he get dealt?

[EvilPie]

think you should repot/getit in on fourth street (when you have 4567)

as played get it in when you pair the 5

as played fold when you draw the 9.

disclaimer: no idea what I'm doing but this is what feels like the right thing to do

Look at what's on show though.

Tom can't possibly have a low and he's only drawing to a 7 anyway.

Neil's absolutely freerolling. He must be loving life especially if he's got any kind of hi hidden away.

Will be interesting to hear Stu's views. He's much better at these games than I'll ever be but I think I'm good enough to not lose anything with this hand.

Disclaimer: I usually play DC when I'm pissed so I'd probably play it exactly the same as Tom.

[SuuPRlim]

ye I think there is a ton of merit to raising forth, Neil could have paired up and will fold, he might just have AA in the hole and fold (both good results for us)

However I think you played it pretty well.

I know it looks a bit weak call call fold but Neil really has caught two outstanding cards and the thing with super-stud is the board is king, you can't really do much when his board gets stronger and yours gets weaker.

Getting it in on 5th street when you pair up is not an option imo, obviously the pair gives us more high equity vs his strong lows but its very very likely at this point unless he's bluffing (certainly possible given the strength of his board vs yours) that we're going to win the hole of this pot. It's pretty likely he has an ACE in his hand, and that makes him much much stronger. Its a fold on 5th for me

Fold 5th and you played it spot on imo.

Once the 9 hi

[EvilPie]

Maybe if we think neil might fold we can get it in on 4th but we've got an intoxicated guy in for a fair chunk of his stack anyway who's happily clicking the pot button.

I just can't see it happening.

[jakally]

I think I remember this hand - well at least I have an idea which cards I showed after Tom folded.

Not sure what I was thinking before that..... probably something along the lines of, 'there's £12 of Linton's money in there somewhere, and I'll be damned if anyone else is getting it.'

[Honeybadger]

First point is that it is essential that you put all dead cards into the hand history. So, what did Pete turn over and what did he catch on fourth street before he folded?

Third street is fine obviously. You have a mid-strength hand that has potential but is far from a premium starting hand.

Fourth street is a clear raise. Your hand plays super well heads up vs his board and it is impossible for him to be any better than 50% against you, whereas if he has paired up or started with AA in the hole you are a favourite. If he has paired the 2 then he either has to fold his equity share to your raise or put lots more money in as a 60/40 dog - both of which you would be fine with.

If Pete was still in the hand with two good low cards all this would change. 7654 plays great HU vs almost any other hand, but can sometimes play badly in a multiway pot. Equities do funny things in stud games due to the independent boards, and this is something that is not always intuitive to players who are used to community card games like NLHE or PLO.

From the perspective of hand-reading, you can use the fact that he has chosen a 6 as his upcard to make some inferences. Basically, it makes it a little more likely that he has (66)6 or (AA)6 rather than a hand like (A2)6, because he would be less likely to have turned the 6 up in the latter case. Of course, it doesn't matter too much either way because you do well heads up against anything he has in the hole. The fact that you have a 6 yourself means there is only one combo of (66)6, and thus (AA)6 becomes a very likely hand for him to hold - which is great because you are a small favourite against this holding. Finally, since Neil is completely drunk there may even be a small chance that he is messing around with something silly like KK in the hole. This makes a raise on 4th even more compulsory.

Fifth street is a fold, barring some sort of 100% accurate ninja-read/live tell that Neil has paired up... in which case you should of course raise.

Sixth street doesn't even need commenting on... fold obviously. There was no need for Neil to bet the full pot on sixth street.

[TL900]

I believe pete had a 2 and a T when he folded dont quote me on that though we had all had a bit to drink. Was definitely 1 baby 1 medium-high card

[TL900]

You should fold at every opportunity.

The chance of Neil having a big hand here are pretty high. I'd suspect AA or a set is a strong possibility.

Put it this way. By the sounds of it it's a splashy game. That being the case anybody with Axxxx is going to be flicking it in to see at least one more card. Even if they've got shit to go with it they'll still show the A and try to bluff one street.

Chances are that nobody else had an A in their hand. Assuming you're 8 handed (must be to get re-dealt the 9), if you discount Neil there's 35 cards gone which probably aren't an ace. That leaves 17 cards out of which Neil needs to find 2 of probably 3 or 4 aces from the 5 cards he's been given.

What did Pete show and also what did he get dealt?

I forgot about this and we were 5 handed when this hand took place i believe and no recycle so one of the 9 i said was different.

[pleno1]

whats the rules?

[TL900]

whats the rules?

Get dealt 5 cards. Discard 2 and choose your own up card. Then standard stud8 or better rules. Pot limit

[EvilPie]

I believe pete had a 2 and a T when he folded dont quote me on that though we had all had a bit to drink. Was definitely 1 baby 1 medium-high card

The fact that you're all a bit tipsy and having fun throws any kind of logic out the window really.

Just decide whether you like the look of your hand and if you do just flick it in.

Not knowing exactly what you had or what Pete's cards were makes it difficult for someone like Stu who knows the game well to analyse properly anyway.

So many other factors in a drunken game than the cards. Sounds like fun