Irish - These are the tough spots...

[SuuPRlim]

Full Tilt Poker Game #32348757269: Table Dagda (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Irish - 16:03:38 WET - 2013/03/21 [12:03:38 ET - 2013/03/21]
Seat 1: Mad4it4life ($413.10), is sitting out
Seat 2: rbkgutt ($154)
Seat 3: lildavefish ($616.80)
Seat 4: Vatal ($407)
Seat 5: sry2good4u ($1,722.30)
Seat 6: Draethen ($218.10)
Vatal posts the small blind of $2
sry2good4u posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lildavefish [ ]
Draethen folds
rbkgutt folds
lildavefish raises to $8
Vatal calls $6
sry2good4u calls $4
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: $24, 3 Players)
Vatal checks
sry2good4u checks
lildavefish has 15 seconds left to act
lildavefish checks
*** DISCARD ROUND *** (Total Pot: $24, 3 Players)
Vatal discards
sry2good4u discards
15 seconds left to act
lildavefish discards [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $24, 3 Players)
Vatal bets $19.20
sry2good4u folds
lildavefish calls $19.20
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $62.40, 2 Players)
Vatal bets $49.90
Draethen adds $181.90
lildavefish ....

He bets 50 into 60with 320 behind...seems pretty solid but I dont really know ofc.

Raise-call/raise-fold/just call?

[rfgqqabc]

22/J2 more likely than KK/KJ right? With the % he is betting Jx to that size then call i guess.

[SuuPRlim]

thoughts on turn play?

[edgascoigne]

DISCLAIMER: Literally no idea about the game but figured I'd throw my hat in the ring anyway. People normally love it when somewhat completely unqualified passes comment on matters, right? Right?!

I'd opt for raise-call. Would have thought KKxx would have been played different earlier, ie. 3b pre.

If he's flopped top two and housed up ott isn't 80% pot larger than we might expect from him ott in what has been a passively played pot to this point?

(Disclaimer still in play)

[cambridgealex]

Same disclaimer obv, but it seems like there's some overvaluing of hands itt.

I'd just be calling the river. And the turn like you did.

[edgascoigne]

Same disclaimer obv, but it seems like there's some overvaluing of hands itt.

Pretty sure that'd be just me... 

[cambridgealex]

Sorry totally missed we filled up!

Assumed we'd discarded 83, why did we discard 93 Dave? Knew it was coming?

[Dubai]

Backdr fl draw> bad back dr st dr

As J9=J8 anyway

[Keylek]

well played imo, now call

[rfgqqabc]

thoughts on turn play?

Never doing diff. Why would you? Its WA/WB and we have the added bonus of position. Plus really want to see his hand, has some benefit here long term imo

[Patonius2000]

Hand seems simples, though I don't know much about irish - maybe river is close to raise/fold. I'd always just call and play the rest the same, possibly potting the button as I imagine people don't 3b all that much and are very peel happy. That's a complete guess btw.

[Honeybadger]

I think this hand is slightly too weak to open, even on the BTN. This is based on the assumption that the average player is not folding his blinds very often in these games ATM (this could be wrong, I have only played a little bit of Irish on FTP since they launched it). If blinds are folding a decent % of the time (or playing very fit or fold postflop) then of course you can open almost any four... and this hand really does count as 'almost any four'.  It is a much weaker hand at Irish than at PLO, where it would obviously be a clear open.

Flop might be better to cbet since there are very few cards you can call with on the turn and you don't hate folding to a c/r in the slightest since you have such little equity. Don't mind checking back though, and in fact this might be best.

Discard decision is correct.

Turn fine... much less need to protect equity than in PLO.

River is close. Think I'd be inclined to raise/fold, but not much in it.

Nothing has changed my opinion that Irish is a crap game

[EvilPie]

Clearly Stu has no idea what he's talking about.

Irish is an awesome game!!!

[tight4better]

Just calling river although I think it's super close. Espec vs a readless unknown.

[Tal]

Copy and paste disclaimer (apart from the Cambridge Alex one where he didn't spot the boat...)

Is there a consideration here for bluff equity?

Soaking wet flop for 4-card poker but it whiffs. Villain could have checked flop to raise with KK but is it not more likely he bricks the last two streets and makes a play?

Hard then for me to assess whether we get value by raising the river, but I'd argue there's a fair chance we have hearts or a lone jack, so raising the river isn't out of the question as either a bluff or a thin value bet, is it?

If you would play it that way (and villain knows that), aren't you missing value by calling?

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