DTD Deepstack Day 2 Spot versus Nit Tendencies

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If Jamie opens 63.5% (22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,94s+,84s+,74s+,64s+,54s,A2o+,K2o+,Q4o+,J6o+,T7o+,97o+,86o+,76o)
Calls 10.2% (66+,22,A9s+,KQs,ATo+,KQo Bit wide?)

16% calling range

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Something seems a bit off but i cant see where tbh. Not sure I'd want to smash too much in though, but nice to see if correct.

[aaron1867]

I am confused if we have the right person here, but you have said he was opening very active & he wasn't when I was on the table. He hardly played anything, probably the easiest set of blinds to go through.  I think I saw him play about 2 hands...

I'm 3b personally

[LonOhRay]

As to his range very close to 100% given your history on the table

Makes it a snap shove/3b then imo

Viewed as a nit who hasn't played a hand, jamming is going to be +cEV but not the most profitable play.

We're IP.

If you feel really unsure about playing in position in a blind v blind situation with AT here then I can agree with Pleno and would 3b large with the intention of folding, not giving him room to 4b/fold on the bubble. Something huge like 48k and folding. Don't want to go small and induce a 4b when your number one objective is to mincash ... Don't recommend that strategy with 40 bigs on the bubble of one of these tournament but different discussion

[pleno1]

I'm thinking of 3 betting, but am 100% certain that I get 4bet here

this is wrong/very flawed, you are passive/nitty image and you 3bet. with the greatest of respect, hes more likely to sigh fold and tighten his range than overadjust aggressively as simply he will think you are a live fish/punter and not a guy who would study this spot in detail later. Hope this comes across the way it is intended (which is why i suggested 3b/fold initially)

But anyway, if your logic is that he will 4b 100% then its a no brianer, you think he's opening and 4betting 60%, well its an extremely easy 3b/5b and it wouldn't be close at all.

I am confused if we have the right person here, but you have said he was opening very active & he wasn't when I was on the table. He hardly played anything, probably the easiest set of blinds to go through.  I think I saw him play about 2 hands...

I'm 3b personally

he's the guy you said looked gay and was one of the guys you were "bored of outplaying"

[pleno1]

As to his range very close to 100% given your history on the table

Makes it a snap shove/3b then imo

Viewed as a nit who hasn't played a hand, jamming is going to be +cEV but not the most profitable play.

We're IP.

If you feel really unsure about playing in position in a blind v blind situation with AT here then I can agree with Pleno and would 3b large with the intention of folding, not giving him room to 4b/fold on the bubble. Something huge like 48k and folding. Don't want to go small and induce a 4b when your number one objective is to mincash ... Don't recommend that strategy with 40 bigs on the bubble of one of these tournament but different discussion

if he is 4betting 100% of a 60% range then we can't pass up that kinda edge/increase to our stack, but ofc i don't think he is.

[Nit Tendencies]

I am confused if we have the right person here, but you have said he was opening very active & he wasn't when I was on the table. He hardly played anything, probably the easiest set of blinds to go through.  I think I saw him play about 2 hands...

I'm 3b personally

Anybody half worth their salt has the ability to let the "captain" steal when you have bad holdings. It's not illegal to let someone steal your blinds.

[LonOhRay]

if he is 4betting 100% of a 60% range then we can't pass up that kinda edge/increase to our stack, but ofc i don't think he is.

Obviously agree with this

[SuuPRlim]

I think when people are vs players they know are good they get far too concerned with how they are going to stop themselves getting "owned" and forget to just play the spot, YES Jamie is an excellent player but he's not trying to run rings round the table he's just played his cards and the spots he finds himself in - that's what you should do too.

Don't level yourself into thinking that because he's a good young player he's going to go off his lid aggro 3/4/5betting you out of your seat, I'm sure he's got that gear but he's not going to use it without a good reason.

As for the hand my first instinct was Pleno's and to 3bet fold (easiest way to play it innit, can't imagine you'd get 4b light THAT often given your image, although Jamie could get suspicous as to just how wide your legit value 3b range is - would you 3b AQ/TT etc and feel like the majority of your 3b range is 3b/folding but I  imagine he'll air on the side of caution for the most part - AND of course the other positive to 3b/fold is you deny jamie's weaker opens their equity, Q9o J8o etc hands that could easily outflop you) however it's pretty obvious that the best play is to flat call and see what develops, Ahigh and broadway flops are the type he's prolly going to c-bet most frequently and we'll have no problem continuing on those flops + he'll have opened a lot of dominated Ax and Tx hands (A4, T8 etc) and there is decent implied odds there as he's very likely to lose at least two bets down the streets with a dominated to pair BvB.

I am confused if we have the right person here, but you have said he was opening very active & he wasn't when I was on the table. He hardly played anything, probably the easiest set of blinds to go through.  I think I saw him play about 2 hands...

I'm 3b personally

he's the guy you said looked gay and was one of the guys you were "bored of outplaying"

Story checks out.

[aaron1867]

I just could not remember who it was and wasn't sure if I had the right person.

Jamie was definitely one or if not the tightest players I came across, so going through the blinds was what it was & he was incred nitty, imo.

I am still 3b, he's in the small blind, regardless of % or ranges, he is still the SB and any two can steal, so that's why I am 3b here, against most players with A-10.

If he 4b, I am deffo getting those cards in the muck as a fold as I don't think I saw him 3/4b the time.

[aaron1867]

I just could not remember who it was and wasn't sure if I had the right person.

Jamie was definitely one or if not the tightest players I came across, so going through the blinds was what it was & he was incred nitty, imo.

I am still 3b, he's in the small blind, regardless of % or ranges, he is still the SB and any two can steal, so that's why I am 3b here, against most players with A-10.

If he 4b, I am deffo getting those cards in the muck as a fold as I don't think I saw him 3/4b the time.

Blimey, SUPER nitty. I was in that gear whilst you were at the table! I WAS exceptionally easy to steal from. After this hand I suddenly started seeing alot of T5/T6/72...

I was the exceptionally good looking guy, white hoodie (no burns or marks in it), red cap.  Jamie was the guy with a big stack sat straight across from you.

Yeah, I can remember now

However, definitely do not think you was more of a nit than James(ie?), honestly couldn't remember more than 2 hands he was involved in, think one was 10-K and another pot with me just before that.

No disrespect, but I would have loved to have stayed on your table, they tore me a new on the other one. Although was a generally tight table in general your table

[Nit Tendencies]

Stop de-railing the thread with your thinly veiled brags Aaron.

I think peeling vs me here is absolutely fine based on how you thought I viewed you. In reality I thought you were very peely, which suggests you aren't very 3betty so 3 bet folding here seems like a really good option. 3/5 betting is burning money without specific info.

Anyway, you peeled, so what happened next?

[MANTIS01]

I like a call pre bvb, would prefer 3bet eg button vs co. Like the stuff about image/self-awareness at the start and good advice from dave/pleno ref this. Your nitty image is a source of strength in this spot especially close to the bubble especially with an actual hand. The flop comes down superdry so I would just go ahead and smooth, you prob still have the best hand and he wont relish barrelling into you all things considered.

[mulhuzz]

Think flatting pre is fine, also think 3-folding has some merit, but I'm prolly flatting.

I don't know Jamie from Adam, but I assume (from posts ITT) that he's better than your average bear. With that in mind, I know that if I flat, I'm gonna have to face the barrels on at least most flops and possibly turns.

Means: I'm gonna be calling down quite light in this spot. Had similar experience vs mondatoo in GPS Newcastle where I flatted his LP open in bb with AQo and called down Ace high before he gave up the river. Think against players you perceive as clearly better than you you just have to be prepared to make them show you a hand.

Means (2): not passing to one bet on this flop for all tea in china vs a super genius. Calling lots of turns too. We're on the bubble so he may be prepared to get all three barrels out and we may have to call down. Fine. It's hard to make pairs from a wide preflop range and we have a pretty nutted no pair hand.

[Nit Tendencies]

Definitely float one bet, but on the 8 turn am I really going to whip out the barrels?

It looks like you're never folding on this turn so I'd be pretty worried about my barrel. You can have a hella load of hands which can continue on a brick turn. Should probably just give it up and be all "meh; if he bluffs this turn he's terrible".

[mulhuzz]

Definitely float one bet, but on the 8 turn am I really going to whip out the barrels?

It looks like you're never folding on this turn so I'd be pretty worried about my barrel. You can have a hella load of hands which can continue on a brick turn. Should probably just give it up and be all "meh; if he bluffs this turn he's terrible".

We're only up to the flop

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Awww f*ck it.

I smooth call the flop bet...pot is now 74k

Turn

 

Jamie fires 25k

jjandellis ??

Very bad turn for him to barrel vs 'fish' - prolly folding now.

Not saying you = fish but you know what I mean. Expect his air range to give up here.

Also his sizing not very bluffy. However if he checks turn I check back and call a tonne of rivers.