OMG Online Poker is rigged!

[SuuPRlim]

Which site have you played 750,000 hands on if you don't mind me asking?

Betfair (ongame) Ipoker, Party and FTP. Nowadays i play almost exclusively on iPoker, in fact it's likely more than 750k as I just looked at my database and have 620k iPoker cashgame hands.

One thing about online poker is its very clinical, you take a bad beat, chips move over and the next hand starts, live poker you get a nervous pause from the dealer, sympathetic looks from the other guys at the table and generally a minute longer to let the hand soak in, I think this makes a difference to how severe each nasty outdraw feels.

[tikay]

but why was it gash? I was glad when it moved to ipoker cause I thought boss was more rigged.

On a scale of 1/10, how would you estimate the degree of riggedness for each site?

Boss 9.5/10 I poker 7.5/10 pokerstars 8/10 FTP 5/10

Seriously, if you we're playing a blank skin, would you have an idea of which software you'd be playing on?


There have been a few points that has made me think, thanks for taking the time out and put your point across, especially Tikay and SuuPRlim. Which site have you played 750,000 hands on if you don't mind me asking?
A few have asked why I play it if I think it's rigged and its cause, like many people on here,I get an enormous buzz out of playing poker and other commitments stop me travelling to and from the casino as much. I'd be very intrigued to see pokerstars RNG spit out 1 million cards and see what % of them would be aces.

No worries Mr Sausage.

I have encountered a lot of people who think the same way as you do, in fact I encounter it daily, & I always try & explain my thinking logically.

I hope the explanation I gave of the pause before the river card has allayed at least some of your concerns. A lot of people were not aware of the reason for the delay, so some good has been served by the thread.

I've also attended a lot of "Blind Testing" sessions, where poker newbies are asked to think out loud (not being aware of my presence) as to their views on Online Poker, Downloads, Browsers, & Sites which "favour" players more than others.

The amount of people who felt that there was a rigged river card was extraordinary - these are the "Ladbrokes/Stars/FT/Party Rivers".

A significant number said that William Hill River Cards were rigged, and so they refused to play on Wm Hill & played on Paddy Power instead, as it was a "safer & more trustworthy site". A curious observation, all things considered, but this is what some people think.

Most said they thought that it was far tougher to win MTT's on William Hill than it is on Paddy Power. Another rather curious observation.

We all have different views. There are lots of things in life I don't believe in, & for which I regularly get some gentle mocking. We are all different, & just as well too.

[tight4better]

Pretty sure level thread is a level but..

A few have asked why I play it if I think it's rigged and its cause, like many people on here,I get an enormous buzz out of playing poker and other commitments stop me travelling to and from the casino as much

So you get a buzz out of being scammed out of your money on a between 5/10 and 9.5/10 scale?

Sounds like you have a problem you can't shake. GA can help. Ban yourself from all gambling websites and casino's.

Good luck in your recovery.

[kinboshi]

Pretty sure level thread is a level but..

A few have asked why I play it if I think it's rigged and its cause, like many people on here,I get an enormous buzz out of playing poker and other commitments stop me travelling to and from the casino as much

So you get a buzz out of being scammed out of your money on a between 5/10 and 9.5/10 scale?

Sounds like you have a problem you can't shake. GA can help. Ban yourself from all gambling websites and casino's.

Good luck in your recovery.

When you leave Tesco, a job in the diplomatic corps beckons

[Sulphur man]

Pretty sure level thread is a level but..

A few have asked why I play it if I think it's rigged and its cause, like many people on here,I get an enormous buzz out of playing poker and other commitments stop me travelling to and from the casino as much

So you get a buzz out of being scammed out of your money on a between 5/10 and 9.5/10 scale?

Sounds like you have a problem you can't shake. GA can help. Ban yourself from all gambling websites and casino's.

Good luck in your recovery.

This the same advice work gave you?

[Sausage]

I take it you do it for living then SuuPRlim? ( how on earth did you come up with that name? lol ) do you know what I mean about each site having its own feeling with them card patterns? You think you could tell which site you was on if playing a blank skin? or am I experiencing one of them curious observations Tikay is on about lol nasty outdraws just seem to happen much more on the net even though you're playing many more hands.

What do you do Tikay? If you don't mind me asking. Many many times I've sat and shouted what card will come on the river in that little pause that gives the other guy the hand, so often its a small % card too.

I'm 50/50 about the whole thing now. You guys have put some very interesting points across and it's obvious you have much more brains than me. I've often thought they can't rig them for legal reasons and should be trusted. But whenever there is huge amounts of money somewhere the is nearly always some sort of corruption with it.  Who should we trust in this world? Police, politicians, priests? Should we fuck!

Last summer I was playing a mega sat and it had been a while since I'd won anything on boss. Half way through I was getting a little frustrated and typed in the chat box how shit the site was and I wasn't putting other penny on it. After that I couldn't seem to loose and won a seat which I found funny. I played a few more mega sats and a lot of feeders for the next 6 months and didnt win a thing. I remembered about how I ranted half way through a sat 6 months earlier and got all the cards to win a seat so thought I'd try the same thing again out of curiosity in a mega sat for the first £300 mega stack in jan. half way through went on my little rant in the chat box and a few hands later I got a pair of 3's utg so raised, someone 3 bet and I didn't fancy my chances so folded. The very next hand I got another pair of 3's so thought fuck it and shoved. I had 4 callers and when the cards went over they were all premium hands including a pair of aces. I started laughing, thought Ive got zero chance, throw the mouse down and went to the toilet. Came back down to find I'd hit a set on the river and quadrupled up putting me in the top 5 and and easy ride to a seat.

I've always found it odd that I won them two seats after a rant, maybe it was coincidence and I'm sure I'm going to receive a deluge of comments about trying that and blah blah blah from some of you on here lol but my point is, these companies seem to go to low levels and play all sorts of tricks trying to stop people withdrawing and leaving their sites. A friend told me how each time he has left, they've bloody rang him up trying to convince him to stay. On one occasion he said he was on the phone for 20 mins and in the end had to shout at the guy on the other end. If they earn so much money, why do they have to stoop low and how low are they prepared to stoop?

Out of curiosity I'm going to log every hand I'm dealt from now on and see what % premium hands I get live and online. Do some little charts and call it the Sausage statistic

[Sausage]

Tight4better, the fact I used decimals and started the next sentence with 'seriously' should have told you not to take that line as what I really think, pal

[WotRTheChances]

I challenge you to sit there, open your wallet and go through each coin in your wallet recording if it lands heads or tails. Do it 50 times for each coin. At the end of this see how many times the split of Heads/Tails is 25:25. I bet nearly all the coins in that wallet of yours are 'rigged'. Some of them 5/10, some 9/10... but odds are none of them will be not rigged at all

[Oxford_HRV]

"live video showing how Party Poker discriminates and disadvantages certain players based on their skill"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_At1H1fDnss

also this is just real funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW4UFz4H0R4

[kinboshi]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0141026472/

[theprawnidentity]

Many many times I've sat and shouted what card will come on the river in that little pause that gives the other guy the hand, so often its a small % card too.

[Sulphur man]

Tight4better, the fact I used decimals and started the next sentence with 'seriously' should have told you not to take that line as what I really think, pal

I know at times it can seem like the deck/site is against you and trust me I fully feel you're pain and I'm surprised
that in all the time playing on line only one mouse has been broken by my heavy hands.

Now you seem like a good kid and I'm glad that you are getting indepth (if at times tongue in cheek) replies from some absolute Blonde heroes. May i suggest
you follow this link/purchase the book. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60881.0.

Poker is an extremely difficult game as even the perfect play can end in your exit from any given comp. What we need to do
is to find a method for dealing with these emotional shocks. I mean do you for one minute believe that any other poster here
has not had there absolute fair share of bad beats and suckouts. In one way its the best thing that happens to us as aspiring poker players.
I can safely say playing poker has made me emotionally far tougher over the past few years and the beats have stirred me to work even harder,
searching for ways to improve, finding leaks in my game etc etc.

At the end of the day money is made in poker as a rule in the long run by constantly playing well and having a good ROI even when we seem to be
getting steamrolled by variance. So pick yourself up and keep making the right play. Its easy to blame outside factors when indeed it could be your own lack
of mastery that is perpetuating these problems. All the best bud.

[kinboshi]

Tight4better, the fact I used decimals and started the next sentence with 'seriously' should have told you not to take that line as what I really think, pal

I know at times it can seem like the deck/site is against you and trust me I fully feel you're pain and I'm surprised
that in all the time playing on line only one mouse has been broken by my heavy hands.

Now you seem like a good kid and I'm glad that you are getting indepth (if at times tongue in cheek) replies from some absolute Blonde heroes. May i suggest
you follow this link/purchase the book. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60881.0.

Poker is an extremely difficult game as even the perfect play can end in your exit from any given comp. What we need to do
is to find a method for dealing with these emotional shocks. I mean do you for one minute believe that any other poster here
has not had there absolute fair share of bad beats and suckouts. In one way its the best thing that happens to us as aspiring poker players.
I can safely say playing poker has made me emotionally far tougher over the past few years and the beats have stirred me to work even harder,
searching for ways to improve, finding leaks in my game etc etc.

At the end of the day money is made in poker as a rule in the long run by constantly playing well and having a good ROI even when we seem to be
getting steamrolled by variance. So pick yourself up and keep making the right play. Its easy to blame outside factors when indeed it could be your own lack
of mastery that is perpetuating these problems. All the best bud.

Nah, it's rigged ldo.

[GreekStein]

Sausage please never have children

[craigbetts]

been a while since I viewed these and this thread reminded me. My favourite is the stars neighbours scam!