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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2013, 03:00:40 PM »

10,500 then fold to any more aggression.

Really don't think you should fold

I said 10,800. Annoyed

Now I'm annoyed too. I must be wrong Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2013, 04:06:09 PM »

10,500 then fold to any more aggression.

Really don't think you should fold

I said 10,800. Annoyed

Now I'm annoyed too. I must be wrong Tongue

10,650 obviously the optimal amount.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2013, 06:41:59 PM »

What are people thoughts on random deec player flatting here in a live £1k? My initial guess was he wasn't gonna be that wide, like AQ/TT, but rarely the bottom end.


Just feel like we're gonna be 4b/f a shit ton if we actually do it
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2013, 12:32:26 AM »

10,500 then fold to any more aggression.

Really don't think you should fold

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2013, 09:51:29 AM »

Not that I want to disagree with the live poker gurus but from my experiences of playing live, if we're cold 4ing this spot then I'm making it closer to 13 then 11 as people will just flick calls in so often.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2013, 10:54:13 AM »

Villain is good though
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2013, 11:03:35 AM »

Lol you think everyone is good, becoming the most complimentary man in poker. Bring back the old Pleno that correctly assumed people weren't good
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2013, 11:06:11 AM »

Lol you think everyone is good, becoming the most complimentary man in poker. Bring back the old Pleno that correctly assumed people weren't good


Lol what is this?! I'm just saying this guy will have a relatively good range in this spot. He plays live cash for a living plays the circuit etc. if I didn't know who villain was then would assume he was dreadful I guess but this guy is 21 year old circuit travelling (ept etc) live cash game reg.

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2013, 11:14:35 AM »

The word you probably meant then was competent, meaning he understands ranges to some degree. Can describe him as good in relation to field I guess but that certainly fits in the competent criteria

Just think loads of your recent posts appear to overrating players ability. Not everything is as clear cut as that either, ie playing epts etc, I think you're way off on this read on this player but that's only my opinion and I probably underrate everyone. Just think you will end up overestimating people's ability and playing incorrectly against them because of it
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2013, 12:09:39 PM »

Why not call?
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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2013, 12:33:30 PM »

I normally fold quite happily here. So much action, any one of them could easily have either of your A or K, diminishing your outs slightly and increasing the strength of what Hardy probably has of what I assume is a mid to high pocket pair. Surprised he would flat the shove in front. It sort of makes no sense. I think anything he is calling with is definitely worth iso 3 betting with to 7750 or thereabouts, unless he has a premium and he is calling to induce action from behind, as he is inviting a possible call in behind from the guy who made it 850. Not to mention the outside chance the limper UTG is up to mischief.

Not a big fan really of the 3 bet to 10700 from us or thereabouts as if you get a re pop you probably want to think about folding, and is Hardy really going to fold to that after flat calling a shove from a 50k stack, granted he has only committed 4250? Maybe. What range is he going to fold after seeing your raise to 10700? And is it worth it, for the risk involved for us? Say he flats, we are now out of position, only likely going to see three cards, that we will probably miss.

Do we now donk bet out missed boards, or check fold to most of his bets? Just seems like we are putting ourselves in unnecessary danger, at such early blind levels.

We have 50k and the proposed move is to put a fifth of our stack in, in a highly volatile position, where we are only really posturing ourselves and could be forced off of it pre flop.

Interesting spot. I like to point out I play 1010-JJ much more aggressively here than I do AK, obv as pairs have that much more flopping power ie. you don't have to hit.

I also would like to add I see the thinking behind the three bet and its obv legit, not discarding it, just not supporting it myself.

After seeing SkolSuper's post below, the call isn't bad. And I prefer it over the 3 bet.
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2013, 04:22:20 AM »

Why not call?

+1

dont think id have a 4b range anyhow tbh, +our hand dominates, gets barrels and plays great multiway. oh and we rarely/never get bluffed.
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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2013, 05:05:50 AM »

Worked out well, great result Lee Wink
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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2013, 07:22:32 AM »

Worked out well, great result Lee Wink
Thanks Alex
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2013, 03:36:57 AM »

The word you probably meant then was competent, meaning he understands ranges to some degree. Can describe him as good in relation to field I guess but that certainly fits in the competent criteria

Just think loads of your recent posts appear to overrating players ability. Not everything is as clear cut as that either, ie playing epts etc, I think you're way off on this read on this player but that's only my opinion and I probably underrate everyone. Just think you will end up overestimating people's ability and playing incorrectly against them because of it


boris becker plays ept's m8  :-)
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