Did I blow up?

[Yian]

Last 3 tables of Sunday Special. Not sure if it feels like a blow up only because it's deep in this tourny and I had a lot of chips.

What other options do we have on each street?

[dreenie]

I would flat the flop, and check evaluate on turn. If faced with a strong bet on a turn then I'm folding, if something like 40-60k, then  I would peel one off and try to hit.

Don't see much point in raising the flop, with 2 spades on flop, plus u don't have any over cards to the board, and u are out of position. Once u re raise the flop, it's hard for u to not do anything other than jam the turn if u missed. Just feel you have inflated the pot needlessly.

If it's me, I'm folding pre tho, with 3 tables left. I'm looking for good spots, at this stage in the tournament, and with my chip stack, using my position the most to pick up easy chips.

[youthnkzR]

Fold pre. Guys opened UTG out of 17BBs. And UTG+1 has flatted out of 30.

Peeling flops not the worst thing but raising isn't great IMO. As has been said before he's flatted an open out of 17bbs UTG+1 out of only x30bbs hisself, if the guy is competent then assume he has AA / KK pre (not being results orientated), if he's a fish - other then hardly ever leading the flop with no equity - he's never folding a top pair / flush draw. If turn bricks like it has done then we have just grossly inflated the pot for no reason as dreenie said and probably have to jam to make him fold flush draws.

Don't want to rub down but I really think this is a pretty unnecessary spew.

[Yian]

I would flat the flop, and check evaluate on turn. If faced with a strong bet on a turn then I'm folding, if something like 40-60k, then  I would peel one off and try to hit.

I don't think I'm ever peeling to hit straight cards, I'll almost never be getting the odds to do so.

I do agree this play is excessive and I do wish I played it different. I think the problem lies with the decision to check raise flop, because with stack sizes I committed myself to bet calling off turn. Or was check folding the turn an option as played?

[dreenie]

I would flat the flop, and check evaluate on turn. If faced with a strong bet on a turn then I'm folding, if something like 40-60k, then  I would peel one off and try to hit.

I don't think I'm ever peeling to hit straight cards, I'll almost never be getting the odds to do so.

I do agree this play is excessive and I do wish I played it different. I think the problem lies with the decision to check raise flop, because with stack sizes I committed myself to bet calling off turn. Or was check folding the turn an option as played?

Just don't see the point in check raising the flop, if your just gonna check fold turn? Lets pretend he doesn't have Kings, he could be floating with say K10 or something similar, planning to shove into any turn if u check.

That's why I just check call the flop, re evaluate the turn, there are plenty of scare cards that can land the turn, by checking the turn we get to see what he does, if he pots it or something ridic, u can' just fold and u lose 38k, If u hit the turn and he still goes mental with his kings u get all the chips, if he checks back turn, u can see what card falls the river to see if its a good spot to fire a bluff if u do miss. U don't have to make huge bets to get people to fold, just read board textures better and oppenants hands better, that will work just as good.

It seems ur just playing your hand, once u check raise flop, I have a pot size bet back, so anything other than jamming turn just seems weak. What sort of hand do u think he is betting out with and then flatting your raise with? You play your hand like a draw to me, if u have a decent pair, 2 pair, set, surely u just let him barrel a turn card?

like I said before tho, with 3 tables out, I'm just folding pre, as played, chk calling flop, re evaluate turn.

[Deadman]

Fold pre. Guys opened UTG out of 17BBs. And UTG+1 has flatted out of 30.

[IanSimpson]

I call pre. Seems a tad nitty to fold to a min raise thats already been called, although we are OOP.

On the flop I flat call, but I think I turn up the aggression and fire two barells (the second being all in) If a spade hits the turn. Bluffing the spades kinda makes them outs to help you win the hand if you miss your straight.

[Eddycadub]

I can't see myself folding this pre even with stack sizes of opener and flatter. If we know flatter is a decent reg then we basically know he has KK+ and I still like peeling to try nut a flop, but maybe thats bad. If we don't know him, then he can have all kinds of nonsense.

Personally I prefer x/c flop and play passively onwards unless we improve because I don't think randoms bet into this many players with gutshots or TT etc when they can check back flop and get to the turn to try to improve rather than risk getting x/r off their equity. If we x/c once and don't improve we can fold and still have a good stack for this stage of the tournament without having given up to much.

Also, something to consider is that the bb can have a flush draw or set which he isn't gonna fold even when u x/r, and with what I have said about the dude in position, I don't think he is folding anything to this raise that he has decided to bet the flop with.
Once you make the x/r, I think u are pretty much committed to jamming or b/c turn too fwiw, and although it might work sometimes when villain is a random with QJ or something similar, I think we risk too much. If we know villain to be a reg, then this is a bad line to take post imo.

[Bubbba82]

not sure if you realise but treeeeebet is a very good ipoke reg. flops so wet he litterally never gnan fold any of his value range to you. i think id prefer to peel one and reasess turn. its hard to know what your repping apart from g9ss or bottom set. your have a sick stack to push forward and play smaller pots in such a big comp.

[Royal Flush]

Just don't see the point in check raising the flop, if your just gonna check fold turn? Lets pretend he doesn't have Kings, he could be floating with say K10 or something similar, planning to shove into any turn if u check.

That's why I just check call the flop, re evaluate the turn, there are plenty of scare cards that can land the turn, by checking the turn we get to see what he does, if he pots it or something ridic, u can' just fold and u lose 38k, If u hit the turn and he still goes mental with his kings u get all the chips, if he checks back turn, u can see what card falls the river to see if its a good spot to fire a bluff if u do miss. U don't have to make huge bets to get people to fold, just read board textures better and oppenants hands better, that will work just as good.

It seems ur just playing your hand, once u check raise flop, I have a pot size bet back, so anything other than jamming turn just seems weak. What sort of hand do u think he is betting out with and then flatting your raise with? You play your hand like a draw to me, if u have a decent pair, 2 pair, set, surely u just let him barrel a turn card?

like I said before tho, with 3 tables out, I'm just folding pre, as played, chk calling flop, re evaluate turn.

Never has someone spoken so much sense with so few words.

[dreenie]

Just don't see the point in check raising the flop, if your just gonna check fold turn? Lets pretend he doesn't have Kings, he could be floating with say K10 or something similar, planning to shove into any turn if u check.

That's why I just check call the flop, re evaluate the turn, there are plenty of scare cards that can land the turn, by checking the turn we get to see what he does, if he pots it or something ridic, u can' just fold and u lose 38k, If u hit the turn and he still goes mental with his kings u get all the chips, if he checks back turn, u can see what card falls the river to see if its a good spot to fire a bluff if u do miss. U don't have to make huge bets to get people to fold, just read board textures better and oppenants hands better, that will work just as good.

It seems ur just playing your hand, once u check raise flop, I have a pot size bet back, so anything other than jamming turn just seems weak. What sort of hand do u think he is betting out with and then flatting your raise with? You play your hand like a draw to me, if u have a decent pair, 2 pair, set, surely u just let him barrel a turn card?

like I said before tho, with 3 tables out, I'm just folding pre, as played, chk calling flop, re evaluate turn.

Never has someone spoken so much sense with so few words.

LOL, I just love to talk