trappy with a good hand

[cambridgealex]

Honey badger in crushes thread shocker.

[tikay]

Honey badger in crushes thread shocker.

Even by Honeybadger's standards, his Post was a stunner. Such simple logic, so well explained.

[jgcblack]

Honey badger in crushes thread shocker.

Even by Honeybadger's standards, his Post was a stunner. Such simple logic, so well explained.

This, in retrospect the competent villain in question actually had floated a lot.

He can't do that if I check...

Sigh John, sigh.

[PathFinder]

At least your modest enough to take the advice on board, or at least accept there's more than one way to play a hand. So many people get stubborn when posting on PHA and just believe they are right and are closed to any suggestions

[SuuPRlim]

he's like the mystical gate-keeper of knowledge.

I shall buy him a mystical gate-keepers hat.

[tikay]

he's like the mystical gate-keeper of knowledge.

I shall buy him a mystical gate-keepers hat.

It is just basic, Level One stuff, such as I do next door, & in truth, that is the maximum level I can help newbies with, but lines like this are golden....


It is true that you are reasonably unlikely to get three streets of value from your hand if you bet. However, you are even more unlikely to get three streets if you check.

[Patonius2000]

I think the only exploitive adjustment you're generally going to want to make in small stakes live games is to bet your value hands more frequently in these spots. I remember years ago watching a hand where Sauce 3b AA and cc 3 streets on a dry K hi board. That really fucked me up for a few months when I didn't really know what I was doing. Not saying you don't know what you're doing but just remember this isn't 40knl and you're not Sauce. So yea, bet flop.

[tight4better]

Honeybadger has got it spot on.

I am definitely c-betting the flop here. I can see the reason as to why you wouldn't - it is very hard for your opponents to have a decent hand on such a board texture, however you would be c-betting this board with hands such as AQ when you miss for that exact reason so to any mildly observant player, you not c-betting such a dry flop that would generate lots of folds should ring alarm bells.
Also, your opponents may have a pp such as JJ-66 that they may call one street with now, but will unlikely bet with because they would want to get to showdown as cheap as possible and they have no reason to turn it into a bluff. If another overcard to their pair comes on the turn, it may be quite hard to get value from them on the turn.

As played, you should definitely bet the turn, there will still be worse hands that you can get a little value out of. Seeing as you didn't bet the turn, why did you not check-raise it? I think it was definitely a mistake to not bet the turn, so I think by not taking the opportunity to check-raise when your opponent bets just compounds this mistake further.

So yeah, just come out betting from the start and try to build the pot. Sure, they can fold this time but it is better to win 1 massive pot out of 3 with a monster, rather than win 2 or 3 small-mid sized ones because the pot hasn't been built enough

Melissa ITT!

[AlexMartin]

honeybadger is too good@pokes; also i was given a present in the form of the bbc's AFRICA book, i must have missed the honeybadger episode on tv but was reading about them the other day. what cool critters- even lions stay well clear.

[wazz]

I don't mind the flop check personally but once no-one bites and a draw pops up on the turn I go ahead and lead. If I check it's to check-jam. As played I'm calling the river because screw you if you got there.

However I defer to honeybadger who knows nlhe through and through.

[Honeybadger]

Yeah tbh the flop check is ok occasionally as a variation play. It could also be good in a live game if you had some sort of read/tell that one of your opponents liked the flop and was intending to bet. But note that this is something that should only be done very occasionally.

Also just to qualify what I said about ranges - in full ring live poker it is not quite as true that Kxx flops hit the preflop 3bettor a lot harder than the preflop caller(s). This is partly because many live players will regularly call 3bets with stuff like KJo. But it is mainly because they will not always 4bet AK and will flat the 3bet instead - this is often correct play BTW. Kxx flops still do hit the preflop 3bettor much harder than the caller of course, it's just that the effect is not quite as extreme as in, for example, aggressive 6max online games with 100bb stacks.

Those caveats aside, JB should always bet his hand on the flop. The reason for this is that - at the moment - he simply cannot allow himself to ever take tricky or clever lines, because he will massively overuse them.

[Tal]

I have literally no idea what I just read.

I need to invent a phrase specifically to describe what I think happened here, as I bet the proverbial cajones off the flop and the turn, slathering myself in value juice and basting nicely for the river. I'm so confused, I'm mixing metaphors like an imagery fruit machine.

Back to the summary phrase...

I'm feeling:

Triple salchow self-level


Also, honeybadger did all the helpful stuff. I just wanted to play. Hope that's OK.

[Honeybadger]

You okay Tal? All this crazy talk... I'm worried about you.

[Tal]

You okay Tal? All this crazy talk... I'm worried about you.

One crazy person at a time, Dr Freud, please.

In plain English:

1. Bet flop
2. Bet turn
3. Fold river
4. OP is a much better player than I, so knows all of this
5. I suspect OP played too trickily for his own good
6. Honeybadger owns

[jgcblack]

You okay Tal? All this crazy talk... I'm worried about you.

One crazy person at a time, Dr Freud, please.

In plain English:

1. Bet flop
2. Bet turn
3. Fold river
4. OP is a much better player than I, so knows all of this
5. I suspect OP played too trickily for his own good
6. Honeybadger owns

Even owns when he doesn't use his articulate and wide variety of vocabulary..

fml.

all of above is correct except for the bolded.  This should be edited to:

- Op can play decent nlhe at this level sometimes but gets in his own way, I hear this is becomming less frequent though.