Imaginary Arbitration

[Doobs]

Ignore the $850 that's booked and then the split is whatever Player A would want to buyin Player B into the tourney as a one off with no makeup.

As Keith said, these type of deals are generally 70/30 in the backer's favour.

70/30 is in the region I have seen done before (70 original player, 30 to sub).  50/50 can't be right, the sub is taking too much advantage of a bad situation.

[GreekStein]

His internet is about to die because of a thunderstorm and due to the Tilt t&c's he gives his username/password to a friend who has railed for the last 30-60 minutes.

Elaborate on this please.

How does he KNOW the thunderstorm will cause his internet to die?
 
Sorry I'm a pessimist but I always question this stuff because of how many shady people there are in poker and I wouldn't put it past a lot of people to get to this stage and then get a much better player to take over and convert the great position to a potentially very big score.

[Dubai]

If anyone is ever chip leader of a comp when already in the money and wants to give me 30% of any additional money to takeover please pm me lol

[kinboshi]

Whatever split is decided, it needs to be agreed immediately - rather than waiting until the next day and the tournament has been played out.

[pleno1]

His internet is about to die because of a thunderstorm and due to the Tilt t&c's he gives his username/password to a friend who has railed for the last 30-60 minutes.

Elaborate on this please.

How does he KNOW the thunderstorm will cause his internet to die?
 
Sorry I'm a pessimist but I always question this stuff because of how many shady people there are in poker and I wouldn't put it past a lot of people to get to this stage and then get a much better player to take over and convert the great position to a potentially very big score.

The situation was.

1) I was grinding first night in Hungary
2) There was thunder/lightening storms outside going absolutely crazy
3) Somebody volunteered to take over/I agreed said I wanted them to
4) I told them it could go off any second now and didnt have the time to discuss a deal and we would "sort it tomorrow"
5) We emailed full tilt explaining the situation
6) Internet never went off and I continued playing until I busted

Why does these things need to be sorted immediately? I trusted him (obviously) he trusted me, we would get somebody to arbitrate and not make a stupid decision in the heat of the moment.

Why would both players be stupid?

[Simon Galloway]

Because both players could make a better decision.

Having $50k swinging around tends to have a habit of making people disagree the following day.  Just sort everything in advance.  It is sooooooooo much easier than after crystalising a $ amount.

[Dubai]

Second player just always gets a "drink" for his efforts. Depending on how much he wins etc. Never needs to be a set %, and as I said il play any comp for anyone who is chip leader in the money for 30% of additional winnings. That's just madness

[George2Loose]

Where did he imaginarily finish?

[pleno1]

Second player just always gets a "drink" for his efforts. Depending on how much he wins etc. Never needs to be a set %, and as I said il play any comp for anyone who is chip leader in the money for 30% of additional winnings. That's just madness

Thats kind of why I didn't want to say, Ok mate got potentially 1 minute, lets just do 50/50 or something like that and making a v bad decision whilst tired/tilted.

[GreekStein]

Why does these things need to be sorted immediately? I trusted him (obviously) he trusted me, we would get somebody to arbitrate and not make a stupid decision in the heat of the moment.

Because things change when a 5% difference means $5k or $10k. At the time he and you make think 70/30 is fair. After you cash for $200k USD and haven't agreed something, it just gets super awkward.

If you'd only had enough time to give details and explain the situation and it suddenly cut out fair enough but sounds like you didn't which is just opening things up to potential problems that are soooooo easily avoided. Just simply then discuss a cut briefly.

[mulhuzz]

Why does these things need to be sorted immediately? I trusted him (obviously) he trusted me, we would get somebody to arbitrate and not make a stupid decision in the heat of the moment.

Because things change when a 5% difference means $5k or $10k. At the time he and you make think 70/30 is fair. After you cash for $200k USD and haven't agreed something, it just gets super awkward.

If you'd only had enough time to give details and explain the situation and it suddenly cut out fair enough but sounds like you didn't which is just opening things up to potential problems that are soooooo easily avoided. Just simply then discuss a cut briefly.

this pretty much.

peopel overestimate their ability to 'work it out in the morning' with $2k pp swings.

[outragous76]

and the fact that you have a range of a beer/meal to 50% shows how silly you would have been to leave it till morning

[rfgqqabc]

Depends on the $$$ I would do it for free if a mate asked but deep down if you shipped 250k and hes doesn't give you a heap then I'd be a bit pissed. I think giving a base line is right, where you say between 20-50 on cashes over $1000 and go from there. Or say 20-50 and we'll ask someone to arbitrate on 5k+

It does depend on life finances though, if  you asked me to take over and I won 8x my roll it has to be different to someone else who might win whilst having played 10k worth of buyins that day. That feels a bit wrong now I have expressed it properly.

[Young_gun]

Did you say your internet didnt cut out so this is all in theory now or did they actually have to take over?

Depends how much they helped but 50/50 & 70/30 both seem too much when they may have just played a level.

If you trust each other just say depends on where you finish ie. Min cash then a drink & any more a % which goes up the better they do or longer they play.

[theprawnidentity]

When I have done 100% 1 off buy ins for people before its been 80/20 for a min cash and then 70/30 for an agreed amount over that.  As you would have already done a great deal of the work by now, it sounds to me like somewhere in the region of 10-15% over what you have already cashed for would be reasonable.