strange line, what now?

[cambridgealex]

I totally disagree with any statement that narrows a single raise preflop regardless of sizing down to 3 specific hands "always".

They are very likely holdings. Perhaps the most likely.

But to rule out other hands is totally wrong.

[mulhuzz]

this raise size is always 99-JJ btw. like, literally always.

so I think you have some maths to do.

I have had someone else say this exact thing...

That's the raise size pre, granted, but now he's done something postflop that doesn't match up with this holding...
When have you seen a weak player check a set/ JJ on this board as pfr when oop.

#doesntaddupbro

the reason they make it three hundred trillion bigs pre is because 'they hate Jacks' and because they can't play flops. If they get a lot of callers they tend to play a bit scared and then when the field thins they go mad thinking 'I hope he doesn't have a seven somehow'.

The board is dripping wet and he's probably planning to check/raise and changes his mind 'I'll just see the turn', because 'I hate Jacks'

[mulhuzz]

I totally disagree with any statement that narrows a single raise preflop regardless of sizing down to 3 specific hands "always".

They are very likely holdings. Perhaps the most likely.

But to rule out other hands is totally wrong.

i know what you're saying, and you're right ofc. those combos make up a very very large percentage of his range ofc.

except it is always those hands

[Pinchop73]

When have you seen a weak player check a set/ JJ on this board

blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60980.0

 

[jgcblack]

When have you seen a weak player check a set/ JJ on this board

blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60980.0

 

Dunno why I even looked.

Meh.

[Honeybadger]

I have no idea why people seem to think this is some never-before-seen gigantastic open raise size from villain. There is a £5 straddle on. So villain has really made it 8 BBs to play, not 20 BBs. If you think this is in some way unheard of in live poker then either,

a) you only play in really tough games in which everyone is solid and so no-one can ever get away with making very big preflop raises and still get action, or

b) you are not adjusting properly to the true dynamics of live play.

Live games constantly change in texture. There are definitely many times on a live poker table where you can open raise to far more than 8 BBs and expect to get several callers. When this is the case then why on earth would you not do so? I have, on occasion, opened to 20 BBs and had half the table call without really thinking about it. You've just got to be aware of how your opponents are feeling at the time.

AA has just GOT to be 3bet here. I have no idea why you'd be thinking of flatting it.

ATo has just GOT to be folded here. If you think this is close either way - that this is where the 'line' is - then you need to radically readjust your positioning of the line.

How can you have Qxs hands that are not the nut straight? Are you really calling preflop with Q9s or QTs? If so, then this is really bad. Even calling preflop with QJs is not exactly great given the size of the open, but it is much better than Q9s!

[jgcblack]

yeah I know Stu, I just put up 'hands' people might believe I would/ could peel otb expecting a multiway pot.

I actually had the JT, do you do anything different to the turn?
Bigger otf is the only thing I think I should change atm.

But here because I want to discuss and work on it...

?

Also, I haven't got WiFi at 'hers' so that's why I haven't been in contact for a bit.

Will be as soon as im home/ she gets it sorted (next wk apparently)

[SuuPRlim]

Everyone in the world see's AA otb after someone has made it £40 and is delighted at the chance to make it £150 with the best starting hand possible.

For JB tho its a 4 paragraph essay on why we should just call

[gouty]

Everyone in the world see's AA otb after someone has made it £40 and is delighted at the chance to make it £150 with the best starting hand possible.

For JB tho its a 4 paragraph essay on why we should just call

Yeeeha! I got one correct that did not involve the action: fold.

I could upgrade from nit to solid by 2019. Get in!

[jgcblack]

Everyone in the world see's AA otb after someone has made it £40 and is delighted at the chance to make it £150 with the best starting hand possible.

For JB tho its a 4 paragraph essay on why we should just call

Dave, hasn't everyone in this thread said they thought his range is 99-JJ..

What do we think he does playing 550 when we make it £120-150 pre??
I guess he folds too much...
Agree???

[cambridgealex]

£150 seems vbig considering how deep they are. £95 seems about right.

[SuuPRlim]

we think he has 99-JJ loads but we don't wanna 3bet AA, makes sense....

Poker is a very simple game at heart and we don't always need to over-complicate things, I know you love the theory and would love to have a super complex plan for every street in every hand but really 90% of the time it's just not needed!

Like one of my good friends and best players around always says...

"Just HOLD the good cards, and FOLD the bad cards"

[George2Loose]

How many times has John been told this tho? FPS is part of his make up. Don't think you're gonna change that

[WotRTheChances]

We find the button and x hand, we note the loose-ish player in the big blind sat very deep (covers all) and another weak, passive player in straddle, expecting our hand to go 4 or 5 way to the flop over 90%.
We call.

SB folds, BB tank folds (hmmm :[ ) and straddle snap folds...

FLOP


Check, check...  We bet 65> 128.... Call, call.

TURN


Open shove for 'pot', tank fold... We??

What do we do with these hands:
- 10, 10
- AA
- J10hh/ cc
- Qxhh/ cc
- A10o (with or without nfd blocker)

And why???

We cover him by £15 or something silly.. Only thing we know is he over estimates hand strength
(I.e. Lead/ shoved 89o on 679 vs pfr for a lot of cheeseburgers)

LOL at the bit i've bolded. This is just complete complete rubbish. 90%? You think people are flicking in the 8x on the £5 straddle with ATC? Pretty sure unless they are terrible this is very very rarely going 5-ways.

Fwiw i'd definiately consider and probably would just fold pre. The unexpectedly larger the normal opening size indicates a stronger than usual opening range. TJs doesn't play great against that when SPR is reduced so much by the bloated nature of this pot.

Of the hands listed i'd call TT and fold all the rest... i mean TJcc is close, but i'm just not getting to the flop with any of the hands listed except TT/AA.

Also <3 this...

Strange line?

Surely AA is a near impossible line? You can only have tj h  to get here?

Call now and muck or scoop.

Not sure I would ever 3b AA pre here..

Ya not 3betting aa would be horrific.

It's live, they will peel.

Come on John don't go back there!

#wehavethenuts #theyhatefolding #trapcallgo4ways

Ok, ok.. We didnt have A10/ AA.

Would've min3bt AA probably, just ISO the two weaker players.

Making it like £110 here EVERY TIME.... and getting peeled most of the time in at least one spot.

[jgcblack]

I don't try to get FPS in just for fun.  I merely tried to work out what OR makes it with £40 pre and wondered if he would always stack off with it.

Clearly I didn't have AA so I dont know what I would have done, but like I said 'probably not 3b' is a mistake.
Id have likely made it 92-107 or something because if the two villains in question.

Im interested as to the ranges people have assigned for OR.

I was really surprised to see the BB fold, his tank-fold showed how much he had to fight the 'flickitin' feeling.

The straddle calls close to 100% when the BB calls imo, purely because if who he was.

anyways, im interested in the JcTc peel pre, and the turn situation....


I dont think anyone on here knows what happens next yet.
#legggoooresults!!