Sky 30NL, J9 sooooooted

[Evilpengwinz]

Been playing this 30NL table for about 45 mins and I'm up to ~£51. We have all other players in the hand covered.

Villain 1 is a winning reg, not someone who I'd expect to get out of line very often, if at all. I usually play him at 20NL, and haven't seen him much at 30NL. Probably one of the better regulars at 20NL when I've played him although I don't think that's saying too much, to be brutally honest. I'm almost certain he knows I'm a winning player at 20-30NL. Apart from that I'm not sure how observant he is and therefore, how he would perceive me, although if he's paying attention he'd probably consider me to be LAG.

Villain 2 is a fish, usually sits with the default 80bb instead of maximum 100bb, doesn't top up, and does some really random stuff which I doubt even he knows why he's doing it some of the time.

Readless on Villain 3, although he just folds flop so meh.

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5 handed, we make a fairly standard raise to 90p with from UTG as it looks pretty and we can print money against Villain 2 post flop. We get 3 calls from Villian 3 (CO, £27), Villain 1 (BTN, £35) and Villain 2 (BB £18).

Flop is   , giving us top 2 pair. Pot is £3.75

Villain 2 donk bets £1.80, and we raise to £5.40. Villain 3 folds, and Villain 1 calls. Villain 2 folds.

Pot is now £16.35. Villain 1 has £29 behind

Turn card is  

I bet £9 and Villain 1 calls. Pot is £34.35 and Villain 1 has £20 behind

River is  , which is a reasonably good card for me as it doesn't complete any draws, although we are now behind to some more possible two pairs which are in his range (AJ, A6hh, A9hh). Also, if he thinks I can have the nut flush draw here, this card is potentially going to encourage him to fold KJ to a shove here, for instance, as some of my range just got there.

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1) Better to shove river or c/c, can we ever maybe b/c tiny (Thinking like £4) to try and induce a shove from a missed draw and still get some value from some showdown value hands which would just check behind otherwise, or is that just lolbad, and how often do we get called by worse if we shove? Basically what is the best line on the river?

2) Flop sizing okay? If not, bigger/smaller, why?

3) Turn sizing, considering villain's range is probably going to be a load of draws and TPGK type hands? Bigger/smaller, why?

[Evilpengwinz]

Bump

[Young_gun]

All seems fine to me on each street, obv we can fold pre if we are a nit or on a tough table but i dont

River we are kind of committed really , probably losing alot here as i cant see what we actually beat bar ace flush draw. Cant fold because i dont know where the button is but bet sizing and everything else seems standard

Sorry i couldnt really add much more other then if you are playing well and sighing just c/f river

Check/Call/Lose my line otr

[jgcblack]

fold pre for sure.

As played, check and give up on this river, dont expect too many regs to 'take off' on a card that actually hits your range more than theirs.

When he cold calls flop, as a reg.. That would send alarm bells starting off for me tbh.

Don't play on sky tho.
What kind of hands did you think he had at each stage and why?

[Young_gun]

fold pre for sure.

As played, check and give up on this river, dont expect too many regs to 'take off' on a card that actually hits your range more than theirs.

When he cold calls flop, as a reg.. That would send alarm bells starting off for me tbh.

Don't play on sky tho.
What kind of hands did you think he had at each stage and why?

Depends on tables, but generally on sky we have stations so although our starting isn't exactly value we have good implied odds

Are you aware Sky is 6 handed aswell as that may affect your decision, i agree it is a fold a bit aswell but its boring saying fold pre also not awful if you have a good understanding of the table/stakes

[MelissaChloe]

fold pre for sure.

As played, check and give up on this river, dont expect too many regs to 'take off' on a card that actually hits your range more than theirs.

When he cold calls flop, as a reg.. That would send alarm bells starting off for me tbh.

Don't play on sky tho.
What kind of hands did you think he had at each stage and why?

Meh, this is a standard open 6-max. Open pre is fine imo.

[MelissaChloe]

What are his stats and over how many hands?

Obviously VPIP/PFR - from BTN specifically if enough hands on him

WTSD and W$SD

Fold to C-Bet for flop, turn and river

Bet % on river and agg factor for this street too

You say that they are a fish, have you got any specific reads on how they play their draws, TPTK and if they are more likely to slowplay sets and other monsters?

[SuuPRlim]

shove the river, doesn't seen too close? c/c does let him bluff missed draws but id imagine on sky at these limits you'd get much more lose/bad calls then bluffs.

Pre-flop seems ok-ish 5 handed, not great but i think we'd all open it in game.

[MelissaChloe]

What are his stats and over how many hands?

Obviously VPIP/PFR - from BTN specifically if enough hands on him

WTSD and W$SD

Fold to C-Bet for flop, turn and river

Bet % on river and agg factor for this street too

You say that they are a fish, have you got any specific reads on how they play their draws, TPTK and if they are more likely to slowplay sets and other monsters?

Sorry, ignore this bit. Read the villain info wrong.

I wouldn't be folding the river, but looking at his stats (specifically river and WTSD stats) would help determine whether to check and induce a bet from a lot of missed draws, or whether it is better to bet/shove depending on how often you will likely get paid off..

[WotRTheChances]

Seems fine thus far. Jamming river and don't think is really close. Get crying calls from a J here sometimes at this stake, A-high FDs, 79. Obv if villain has a known tendancy to bluff lots then checking could be fine (assuming he jams his Ax, 79 for value and jams some FDs. If he's checking back this range much then it's a clear clear jam. Never c/folding here. Also never ever folding pre. Super-standard open. Certainly opening a reasonable amount of worse hands.

[cambridgealex]

Seems fine thus far. Jamming river and don't think is really close. Get crying calls from a J here sometimes at this stake, A-high FDs, 79. Obv if villain has a known tendancy to bluff lots then checking could be fine (assuming he jams his Ax, 79 for value and jams some FDs. If he's checking back this range much then it's a clear clear jam. Never c/folding here. Also never ever folding pre. Super-standard open. Certainly opening a reasonable amount of worse hands.

not everyone's a lunatic like you though thigh.

lol@ JB saying fold pre, the guy that opens Q2s utg FULL RING LIVE

I think the only bit that hasn't been covered already by others is the TURN bet size, which you asked about. I think you missed a few quid here, SUCH a draw heavy board, think £11 into £16 is quite a lot better than £9.

Rest seems absolutely fine, shove river and hand is wp.

[muckthenuts]

What are his stats and over how many hands?

Obviously VPIP/PFR - from BTN specifically if enough hands on him

WTSD and W$SD

Fold to C-Bet for flop, turn and river

Bet % on river and agg factor for this street too

You say that they are a fish, have you got any specific reads on how they play their draws, TPTK and if they are more likely to slowplay sets and other monsters?

HEM/PT don't work on sky i don't think. I vaguely remember someone telling me of another program that does work though

Yeah deffo shove river

[MelissaChloe]

What are his stats and over how many hands?

Obviously VPIP/PFR - from BTN specifically if enough hands on him

WTSD and W$SD

Fold to C-Bet for flop, turn and river

Bet % on river and agg factor for this street too

You say that they are a fish, have you got any specific reads on how they play their draws, TPTK and if they are more likely to slowplay sets and other monsters?

HEM/PT don't work on sky i don't think. I vaguely remember someone telling me of another program that does work though

Yeah deffo shove river

Fair enough. Was only going to use them to determine the most optimal river line. Of course a shove is reasonable, however if your opponent is someone who will call down to the river and then fold 75% of rivers, but will bet say 80% of the time they are checked to. Then I like a c/c or c/r better.

If they aren't folding the river often then just shove.

[Honeybadger]

fold pre for sure.

As played, check and give up on this river, dont expect too many regs to 'take off' on a card that actually hits your range more than theirs.

When he cold calls flop, as a reg.. That would send alarm bells starting off for me tbh.

Don't play on sky tho.
What kind of hands did you think he had at each stage and why?

Meh, this is a standard open 6-max. Open pre is fine imo.

This is not really a standard open UTG 6-max. To open it would be an exploitative adjustment, for example if the table is weak and especially if one of the blinds is a poor player.

[MelissaChloe]

fold pre for sure.

As played, check and give up on this river, dont expect too many regs to 'take off' on a card that actually hits your range more than theirs.

When he cold calls flop, as a reg.. That would send alarm bells starting off for me tbh.

Don't play on sky tho.
What kind of hands did you think he had at each stage and why?

Meh, this is a standard open 6-max. Open pre is fine imo.

This is not really a standard open UTG 6-max. To open it would be an exploitative adjustment, for example if the table is weak and especially if one of the blinds is a poor player.

Yes, I should have been more clear on that. It is a standard open in the games I play, where the majority of players are incredibly weak. I assume the same to be in most 30nl games on sky.
Of course if you have very competent, smart players acting behind, then it is a clear fold. As described by the OP, it doesn't sound that this is the case.