Sandwiched between Mitch and Kurt - not a comfy spot!

[edgascoigne]

Unrelated to the hand but "meat in the sandwich" is one of my favourite phrases.

Oh, and call. If he's got it, he's got it. But as a self-respecting, check-shirt and Hackett troos-wearing, pigeon I'm not folding here. Couldn't look myself in the eye (in the mirror, as opposed to in a cross-eyed fashion) if I folded.

[Young_gun]

Sigh call, then he flips over the ladies

#Coollerments

[PathFinder]

Sigh call, then he flips over the ladies

#Coollerments

Aces Full>>Queens Full

[cambridgealex]

Yes we beat KK and QQ. Never shoves these for value btw.

Only lose to AK and AQ.

[SuuPRlim]

Mitch's range has AK, and you and Kurt rarely do, everyone's range has all sorts of blockers/2p's and straights in it, Mitch has more AQ than you two as well, neither of you have KK, QQ prolly not JJ so it's really just AJ and AQ he's worried about running into and the run out allows him to rep all the boats very legitimately. I really think you need to just take your medicine here and pay the man.

This isn't to say Mitch is always bluffing, or that he is bluffing here, he has the two big Value hands in his range for sure, as well as some bluffs, it's very rare a gd player will give you a "obvious call/fold" spot but here it just so happens you have abt the top of your range so I think this is the time to call.

His lights 3betting range will include a fair few small suited aces, obviously the most ideal hands to bluff with but i'm sure if he REALLY needs to bluff with those.

Cool hand though.

[tight4better]

Out of interest if we're in Mitch' spot what are we doing with KK QQ and JJ OTR if we played it the same?

[GreekStein]

The more people who instantly say 'deffo a bluff' when i shove for 1.4x pot (600bbs) into 2 players on the river of a 4 to a straight, paired up board, the better!

say what you want fishball. Any pot you go past a turn you shove river for 20x pot so gtfo

[Tal]

Isn't the suggestion that Alex might fold AJ in this spot justification enough that a bluff is a possibility here?

[gs08bjohnson]

if Mitch has the nuts, what does he think either of you are calling with here?

[jgcblack]

The more people who instantly say 'deffo a bluff' when i shove for 1.4x pot (600bbs) into 2 players on the river of a 4 to a straight, paired up board, the better!

say what you want fishball. Any pot you go past a turn you shove river for 20x pot so gtfo

Is betting so large a common part of bigger games? I've rarely seen more than 1.5x pot ever live and the only times have been from very competent villains.

[wazz]

Is betting so large a common part of bigger games? I've rarely seen more than 1.5x pot ever live and the only times have been from very competent villains.

Overbets are awesome. Even sometimes when your range is ridiculously strong and his is ridiculously weak, some players think 'well his huge bet clearly doesn't want a call, i'm gonna look like such a hero' 'oh fu** i forgot that when i'm wrong i'm gonna look like a huge mark'.

Because of the odds you're laying, a much higher % of your overbets have to be for value (and with a more nutted range, as you don't want to valuecut yourself) than as bluffs compared to a normal-sized bet. I find it's a good tactic against 'thinking' players who like to splash around and play a little fps but aren't as good as they think they are. Also good when it's difficult (from combinatorics, action etc) for you to have the hand you're repping.

In this spot there's no way I even consider folding, but I snapfold the hand one rung down - a straight (as someone pointed out we don't have JJ-KK very often).

[George2Loose]

Wtf happened?

[wazz]

A) hero snapcalled thinking 'lol who folds aces full' and then got berated for not being able to fold to an expert bluff
B) hero tankcalled all the while saying 'sooooo sick! i can't believe i'm thinking about laying this down' just to cover his ass in case he was behind, which he actually was, so he looked like a genius as his monies were getting shipped over to mitch
C) hero instafolded and held onto his cards while kurt folded as well, showed his cards while mitch looked at him thinking 'omg, i just got mugged, how do you fold that'
D) hero tankfolded, held onto his cards while kurt folded, showed his cards, mitch looks shocked and says 'wow, good fold, i had it' and turns over K4s, having misread his hand, thinking he had AKs
E) Hand did not happen, hero dreamt it

A) 2-1F
B) 3-1
C) 17-2
D) 35-1
E) 100-1

[theprawnidentity]

Seems like a great spot to jam  .

If he has AK/AQ, nh imo.

[Rexas]

D) hero tankfolded, held onto his cards while kurt folded, showed his cards, mitch looks shocked and says 'wow, good fold, i had it' and turns over K4s, having misread his hand, thinking he had AKs