I found a JB! (he thought that i thought that he thought that i thought that...

[jgcblack]

What do we do in this hand with the following?

1.  
2.  
3.  
4.  
5.  



Btn opens (readless), we're in the BB with one of the above.  

BTN $1.50, SB call, BB call

FLOP
 

check, check, BTN $9, fold, call

TURN
 

check, check

RIVER
 

we???


and why?


Sorry, stacks are $60 effective pre, he covers me slightly (120bbs)

[Dubai]

We move this to Plenos collection of pointless hands threads?

I mean all 5 look incredibly obvious to me, cant imagine how it requires more than 2 seconds thought.

[jgcblack]

We move this to Plenos collection of pointless hands threads?

I mean all 5 look incredibly obvious to me, cant imagine how it requires more than 2 seconds thought.

because something interesting happens.....

that's why.

sorry to be a pain or a waste of time.

[Dubai]

You bet he raises. Come on, i mean surely you know what to do with all 5? If number 5 ever exists!

I mean surely if you are betting you know what you are doing if raised etc, and if checking you know what you are doing

Too many ridiculously basic threads, Pads way more to blame than you. The other day we had 3 threads in 5 mins, my 15 month little boy laughed and said "Daddy he must bet to one of them"

[celtic]

Number 3 & the turn card both have the

[jgcblack]

You bet he raises. Come on, i mean surely you know what to do with all 5? If number 5 ever exists!

I mean surely if you are betting you know what you are doing if raised etc, and if checking you know what you are doing

Too many ridiculously basic threads, Pads way more to blame than you. The other day we had 3 threads in 5 mins, my 15 month little boy laughed and said Daddy he must bet to one of them

close...

we bet 35 and he jams.... (for an under-raise)
35 to 59.65 - we have 15.89 behind.




now?


(and no, no5 doesn't exist - that JB went a while ago)

[jgcblack]

Number 3 & the turn card both have the

lol ty, changed

[Dubai]

Just so people realise (the new thing on the forum is noone bothers to look at stacks or pot size and then claims it in defence of some terrible line advocated)

Preflop the pot is $4.50
He bets $9 into $4.50
On the turn the pot is $22.50
On the river you bet $35 into $22.50 and he shoves for $49.50 total effective

You have to call $14.50 into $107 so need to be right 13.5% of the time. And there is a thread asking what to do with JJ here?

[Dubai]

Basically its simple maths, you add the % time he shoves worse than your hand for value, the % of time he is bluffing with a worse hand than ours. If these 2 numbers total higher than 13.5% you click call, if they dont you click fold.

[Dubai]

Didnt mean it to come across rude, but I know you KNOW all this!

[jgcblack]

Just so people realise (the new thing on the forum is noone bothers to look at stacks or pot size and then claims it in defence of some terrible line advocated)

Preflop the pot is $4.50
He bets $9 into $4.50
On the turn the pot is $22.50
On the river you bet $35 into $22.50 and he shoves for $49.50 total effective

You have to call $14.50 into $107 so need to be right 13.5% of the time. And there is a thread asking what to do with JJ here?

clearly JJ isn't a problem.. the only question is could/ should I have done something different at a different point in the hand?
Dave, sorry to seem trivial but I get myself tied up in knots and in the interest of trying to focus on being so much more fundamentally stronger I'm trying to look closely at the big pots I play, and also to look at the structure/ small but common things I do in pots often.

I have been experimenting with overbets in certain spots this week and so far find many people at 50nl seem extra 'tight' to them.

In this particular hand, the only two cards I thought he would play like this for value would be .  And that's only the one combo.
So clearly we don't have to be right often if he doesn't just have that hand.

[jgcblack]

Basically its simple maths, you add the % time he shoves worse than your hand for value, the % of time he is bluffing with a worse hand than ours. If these 2 numbers total higher than 13.5% you click call, if they dont you click fold.

Didnt mean it to come across rude, but I know you KNOW all this!

Sure, sorry to ask an obviously simple question.

I guess slightly better question would be - do we think the guy is ever bluffing here? why?
And ofc what would people consider his 'value' range otr?
(this is something I seem to consistently come out with different answers to... in comparison to my 'poker friends')

[Dubai]

I have no idea what you want me to say?

You appear to be asking is there anything different you can do other than check calling 2x pot on J77 flop with JTss 89ss Akss and betting 1.5x the river on a 9x3x runout?

In answer yes. There is a lot of different things you can do

[gouty]

Is this an online version of "what Lodden thinks"?

Over under on how many posts for dumbest hand ever or number of posts till gouty doesn't understand any of it and pipes up?

[Dubai]

He is bluffing somewhere between 0% and 100% of the time. If you are readless then can only go on what you know, ie stakes, location, population tendancies of both of those and add into the fact he has taken a non orthodox line of betting 2x pot. Then you derive a figure. Add this figure to the % of times your hand beats his value shoving range that you beat, ie when we have JJ we beat some hands, he doesnt just have 77. If its higher than 13.5% then call, if its not fold. It really isnt hard.