GPS Sheffield 1/2 Cash Game Line Check

[theprawnidentity]

I decided to actually play a live cash game and take it seriously for the first time.  I was really shocked at the standard of a 1/2 game (having not played one before), I got involved in a hand as follows:

UTG+1 A Chinese kid who is playing a lot of hands and is frequently getting it all in on the flop with any kind of draw opens to £7.
Button (Me)    calls in position
SB Has just sat at the table on break from the tournament and hasn't even got his chips yet and says he has half an hour to play calls.

Flop:     (Pot: £23)

SB leads for £25, UTG+1 makes it £68, we have £180 behind, we???

I think theres a good chance that this is pretty standard but would like some advice from some of the more experienced cash game-ists (if you've played 1/2 twice or more you qualify ).  All comments and opinions appreciated.

[Young_gun]

What did the new player look like, assuming under 30 we shove

[theprawnidentity]

assuming under 30

Assumed correctly.

[SuuPRlim]

go all in imo.

[Rexas]

Shovel it, we also have the key  which always helps. Also kinda doesnt help in the sense that we've removed nut flush draws from their range, but still, imallin.

[Tal]

As above.

What do we think the other two have?

I expect 9T and XXss are fairly high percentages but happy to gauge opinion on that.

[theprawnidentity]

Yeh given the table I thought it was a pretty easy jam.  But I level myself a bit in the live arena expecting it to be as tough as online cash.  Which im learning pretty quickly that it isn't!!!!

[rfgqqabc]

I read this, thought def allin, went away came back thinking maybe not with potsize and with descriptions we cant fold so arrin.

edit: SB not being aware of utg+1 fishiness and us having As makes it a bit dirty.

[theprawnidentity]

Theres a chance my hand may have been something like  .  Guessing its pretty much irrelevant if were arrrrin in either case?

[Rexas]

But I level myself a bit in the live arena expecting it to be as tough as online cash.  Which im learning pretty quickly that it isn't!!!!

Depends on the table, as it does online, although I absolutely agree that live is softer than online in general. I would assume the table is as tough as an online one until i know otherwise, which can sometimes be even before a hand is dealt, but still, i need a reason.

[mulhuzz]

I love having the As in my hand as it removes some Ax combos with spades which have good equity vs us.

I'm still shoving if I don't have it though.

[rfgqqabc]

800,058  games     0.017 secs    47,062,235  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    30.762%     26.95%    03.81%            215615        30496.50   { AdJs }
Hand 1:    35.522%     31.57%    03.95%            252611        31589.00   { 8d8h, 8d8s, 8h8s, 3d3h, 3d3s, 3h3s, AJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As2s, KsQs, JsTs, Ts9s, AdJc, AhJc, AhJd, AsJc, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s }
Hand 2:    33.716%     33.20%    00.52%            265614         4132.50   { JJ+, 33, AsKs, AsQs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KJs, KsTs, QJs, QsTs, Qs9s, 9s7s, KJo, QJo, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s }


Sb hand one, utg+1 hand two. Think prob give both a bit too much credit and SB prob has some lead/fold range so this isnt totally accurate. But don't want As going 3 ways.

[theprawnidentity]

Sb hand one, utg+1 hand two. Think prob give both a bit too much credit and SB prob has some lead/fold range so this isnt totally accurate. But don't want As going 3 ways.

Yeh this seems to giving them wayyyyy too much credit.  FWIW UTG+1 quickly flipped over  after calling my shove.

Im my head i gave utg+1 pretty much any spade combo + T9, sets, 2 pairs and AJ/KJ/QJ.

Would give the bb something similar seen as this is his first hand and basically sat down and declared he was here to gamble (having only bought in for 50bb)

Bit gutted I dont have PokerStove anymore as you cant download it.

[rfgqqabc]

800,058  games     0.017 secs    47,062,235  games/sec

Board:
Dead:  

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    30.762%     26.95%    03.81%            215615        30496.50   { AdJs }
Hand 1:    35.522%     31.57%    03.95%            252611        31589.00   { 8d8h, 8d8s, 8h8s, 3d3h, 3d3s, 3h3s, AJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As2s, KsQs, JsTs, Ts9s, AdJc, AhJc, AhJd, AsJc, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s }
Hand 2:    33.716%     33.20%    00.52%            265614         4132.50   { JJ+, 33, AsKs, AsQs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KJs, KsTs, QJs, QsTs, Qs9s, 9s7s, KJo, QJo, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s }


Sb hand one, utg+1 hand two. Think prob give both a bit too much credit and SB prob has some lead/fold range so this isnt totally accurate. But don't want As going 3 ways.

This had AsJd as a comparison and was 2% worse off. Can't find text.doc now.

[Tal]

800,058  games     0.017 secs    47,062,235  games/sec

Board:
Dead:  

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    30.762%     26.95%    03.81%            215615        30496.50   { AdJs }
Hand 1:    35.522%     31.57%    03.95%            252611        31589.00   { 8d8h, 8d8s, 8h8s, 3d3h, 3d3s, 3h3s, AJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As2s, KsQs, JsTs, Ts9s, AdJc, AhJc, AhJd, AsJc, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s }
Hand 2:    33.716%     33.20%    00.52%            265614         4132.50   { JJ+, 33, AsKs, AsQs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, KJs, KsTs, QJs, QsTs, Qs9s, 9s7s, KJo, QJo, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s }


Sb hand one, utg+1 hand two. Think prob give both a bit too much credit and SB prob has some lead/fold range so this isnt totally accurate. But don't want As going 3 ways.

This had AsJd as a comparison and was 2% worse off. Can't find text.doc now.

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See? We can all post gibberish.

(in before I do it more than most)

Seriously, that needs explaining to someone who started playing poker before 2005.

Kthxbye