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« on: May 19, 2013, 08:27:11 PM »

Level 1 of SCOOP 22 - L $27 buy in.

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Blinds 25/50 - Both hero and our villian are still on the starting stack of 10,000 exactly.

Hero is UTG +2 holds   

UTG and +1 fold, Hero opens to 150.

Folds to button who calls. both blinds fold.



Flop is  

Hero cbets for 300

Villian raises to 650

Hero calls

Other options - should we raise again here and protect out hand on this kind of wet board, or is pot controlling OOP fine? 

Pot stands at 1675

Turn 

Hero checks

Villian cont for 500

hero calls

All draws have got there bar 97 we have NF re-draw. Should we just peel or again do we have a raise option. Getting 4/1 on the call to.

Pot is now 2675

River 

Hero checks

Villian bets 3,450


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We now face this overbet on the river. we have the nut flush but are still beaten by 2 cards in the deck. Do we have all 3 options avalible in this spot(shove/flat/fold)? Which of the 3 are best? And why should we do each of these lines. At best we're looking at  Xh at worst we're beat by a random 9 or 4 of hearts. - does he have any in range. Why would he over bet this spot?
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2013, 09:22:34 PM »

Fold pre 

As said initially i was snap shoving, but i suppose a call here as only hand we get called by is and who obv has us beat in game would defo be shoving tho
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2013, 09:35:28 PM »

Fold, he has a straight flush all the time here
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2013, 02:10:08 PM »

Would kind of expect a xh xh hand would bet it much bigger OTT, don't want to see another xh on the river.  As played pretty easy call, dont think you get called by worse by shoving and if he has the SF then nh sir.

That being said, this is a $27 scoop and I would expect the average opp to stack off with the   a reasonable amount.

Think its close between calling and shoving depending on opp.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 02:22:50 PM »

i'd expect this to never be the . This bet is vpolarised to the / straight flush or a bluff. Since we have the , we beat no value hands. I'd fold, it's so obvious that he hopes you have the and will pay a huge overbet, so let's exploit that and fold. People rarely bluff here.

Wp up till river, and obv can't blame you for calling, but I think it's a fold.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2013, 02:26:54 PM »

If you shove you are attempting to bluff him off the low end of the straight flush... seems pretty ludicrous to me
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2013, 02:34:28 PM »

Im not suggesting we bluff anything, its a pretty easy call, and miiiigggghhhhttttttttt be a shove if we know the guy can call with worse.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2013, 02:37:44 PM »

Im not suggesting we bluff anything, its a pretty easy call, and miiiigggghhhhttttttttt be a shove if we know the guy can call with worse.

really surprised you think people can play / like this. we beat no hands he's betting for value, im sure of it. shoving would be absurd imo.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2013, 02:54:14 PM »

I honestly think he can turn up with worse than the  here.  Will be really hard to prove either way as I dont imagine there are a ton of this spots that come up.  If you can click the fold button then 
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2013, 05:14:46 PM »

Wow I was told blonde was much better than my usual soarces, waited for a spot to post seems i picked a reasonable hand then Smiley

Thanks for some very good responces.

Yeah basically my thoughts at the time was pure stunned. Not going to denie this is above where i normally play, i also normally play 6 max on sky. Although i have played higher too. This was the first time ive ever found my self in a spot like this.

I left myself with a very narrow range and ended up sigh calling. even then after result im still not sure i was right. He did have the for what its worth so i thought maybe i was thinking results oriented after. but i honestly see so few value hands in range
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2013, 05:19:54 PM »

I have no problem with a sigh call here. I think his range does include more than just a straight flush, but I would never ever be raising here.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2013, 12:05:47 AM »

Fairly easy snapcall surely? And flop and turn play are perfect, no need to raise to protect your hand at all, you don't have much of a hand to protect! Especially on the turn, your hand is a bluffcatcher and drawing to improve. Expect to lose a lot but call anyway. Jamming would be spew, he's not calling with worse, at least by calling you get to see his hand when he is bluffing.
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2013, 01:33:31 AM »

Pretty clear fold imo. Pretty optimistic to expect an unknown to overbet jam no SDV here attempting to rep the straight flush. If he has / he'll just make a normal value bet.

In my experience he's just gunna show you a straight flush here almost always.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2013, 05:38:36 AM »

Easy fold on river. If you don't play online regularly against same pool of players you can just flop. It's gonna be really unprofitable from this point on. You have a bluff catcher that can't improve.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2013, 04:18:34 PM »

in a low scoop event where we get raised on this flop and he ends up shoving the river folding river would be real bad, so much bananas he can have.
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